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Is Homework Detention necessary?

Is homework detention necessary

  • yes

    Votes: 14 66.7%

  • no

    Votes: 7 33.3%
  • Total voters
    21
Connery said:
Is your position that those other than Asian's are not proficient enough to work for you?
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No, just that the odds tend to be better. It is those who think that they don't have to do homework because they have already mastered the subject clearly haven't learned everything about what they are really there to learn. As for detention as a disincentive. No idea, it could help some and piss off others. Then again, the number of real lessons continues to be ignored.
 
Screw homework. Frankly I'd prefer to see half of High Schoolers switching to a jobs-oriented Apprenticeship program at age 15 or 16, so when they turn 18 they're trained up for an in-demand skilled trade with an established work experience/work-history already... not everyone is going on to college, nor does everyone need to.

Nowadays we think we have to prep everyone for college, and yet nearly 3/4ths flunk out within the first two years. Half of them didn't want to be there in the first place, methinks.
 
marcus903 said:
Is homework detention necessary?
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Apparently so -- if when students know they're going to face detention if they don't do their homework and they still don't do it.

Actually, I think it's a great idea. This lets the parents know the student isn't turning in homework -- and gives him an opportunity to devote a class period to getting it done -- and possibly working on that day's homework. No big deal. Can't hurt. Might help.
 
Connery said:
I have no doubt, but, not in the area I grew up in many are dead and many more still "stuck". I am one of the lucky ones I assure you



This is a nice story, however, my involvement with school is very steep and I know what the curriculum is requiring the student to do. I cannot disagree with you more strenuously based on my experiences, observations and involvement in school education. In order to have these "accommodations", you speak of, the child must be evaluated by a school psychiatrist and must be determined to have "special educations" needs at which point an Individual Education Program(IEP) will be provided. No one can unilaterally change a child's educational program because a parent wishes it to be. You speak of pure fantasy.

I believe much of the problem is with the standardized tests and teaching to the tests.
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Please don't misunderstand; I am acutely aware of how valuable "accommodations" can be. In fact, I can even state that public schools are often more sensitive and able than private schools in this regard.

The reason I placed "accommodations" in quote marks the first time I used this term was the fact that helicopter parents too often think that because their little Johnny is "special" in some way, he should receive special favorable treatment. I am not referring to those students who genuinely need genuine accommodations.
 
ChrisL said:
There are so many OTHER ways to teach children responsibility. Isn't 6-7 hours of school a day enough? These are kids we're talking about. For goodness sake, most adults only work for 8 hours a day with no homework.
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Kids generally aren't actually sitting in class the whole 6-7 hours a day that they're at school. And elementary school kids don't (or shouldn't) get a whole lot of homework.

And I'd love to meet these adults that only work 8 hours a day and never have to take work home with them or stay late to get things done. I don't know any of them. I work late or take work home with me at least one night a week, generally more often than that.
 
shiang said:
It's true homework can sometimes be silly and stupid but doing them does build work ethic and sometimes gives you practice you need. I would not say "Homework isn't really that important", it is.

Come on lets face it "detention" isn't THAT awful, you stay after school and do some more work (which you should've done in the first place), once your done with the HW I'd say they should let you move on to more interesting/advanced stuff, incause you didn't do your HW cause i thought it was too easy =P.
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This "work ethic" goal doesn't relate to job performance. People are a lot more dedicated when they get paid for the work. Many people who were lazy students get very energetic when they are motivated by wages.

School is work without pay, or for any other psychologically motivating reward (I suggest they be given days off). What it really builds is a slave ethic, preparing students who spent a dozen or more years working without pay to accept less pay when finally rewarded for work.
 
Sweet christmas, is this thread kidding me?

Homework is only there to test if you can manage your time and complete a task within that managed time. It gives you a sense of responsibility beyond the assigned hours you normally would work within school. It's a job that you have to complete on your own time.

It's useful education no matter what career you choose to pursue. It's truly depressing that this would even be considered controversial.
 
Ben K. said:
Sweet christmas, is this thread kidding me?

Homework is only there to test if you can manage your time and complete a task within that managed time. It gives you a sense of responsibility beyond the assigned hours you normally would work within school. It's a job that you have to complete on your own time.

It's useful education no matter what career you choose to pursue. It's truly depressing that this would even be considered controversial.
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In school, when I grasped the material, near immediately, I was often forbidden from completing the homework before I left the class, instead forced to listen to a useless lecture about said work, I already understood.
What this teaches you is that you have to follow, arbitrary, useless rules, when there are more efficient and productive ways of completing work.
It teaches you to follow a wasteful standard of work.

What school has inadvertently taught is that there are times, when you shouldn't listen to the boss.
Because they're completely wrong.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
In school, when I grasped the material, near immediately, I was often forbidden from completing the homework before I left the class, instead forced to listen to a useless lecture about said work, I already understood.
What this teaches you is that you have to follow, arbitrary, useless rules, when there are more efficient and productive ways of completing work.
It teaches you to follow a wasteful standard of work.

What school has inadvertently taught is that there are times, when you shouldn't listen to the boss.
Because they're completely wrong.
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Im not sure I understand homework the way you do. There are countless subjects you may be asked to address in your own time and whether you're strong at the task or not you are expected to complete the task at hand. If you're weak you set the time aside, if you're strong you can relax and recreate. It's about personal time management that will continue to be a part of your life until the day you die.

The fact you understood and solved the work and found it useless is pretty absurd as a complaint, most don't and are simply being taught in the ways of personal responsibility.
 
Ben K. said:
Im not sure I understand homework the way you do. There are countless subjects you may be asked to address in your own time and whether you're strong at the or not you are expected to complete the task at hand. If you're weak you set the time aside, if you're strong you can relax and recreate. It's about personal time management that will continue to be a past of your life until the day you die.

The fact you understood the work and found it useless is pretty absurd as a complaint, most don't and are simply being taught in the ways of personal responsibility.
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Well, I have to admit, I have a strong bias against current education standards.
I feel that it has left a lot of people behind, with the intent to appeal the average student, rather than all students.

High ability kids are often, left to languish.
And please don't say honors and ap classes exist for them.
They are often the same course work, with more useless work.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Well, I have to admit, I have a strong bias against current education standards.
I feel that it has left a lot of people behind, with the intent to appeal the average student, rather than all students.

High ability kids are often, left to languish.
And please don't say honors and ap classes exist for them.
They are often the same course work, with more useless work.
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And the whole point of homework is the student is free to buck the education standards, they can complete the task as they see fit without the confines of a dictatorial teacher. The purpose is they attempt to tackle the work and manage their time accordingly. Strengths or weaknesses be damned and be punished accordingly if they haven,t.

It may be hard for the clever ones who have to set aside ten minutes of their time to a useless pursuit (no matter how many times a better person than that is required to waste time in the real world), the not so gifted have to better themselves over corresponding hours and improves themselves.
 
Goshin said:
Screw homework. Frankly I'd prefer to see half of High Schoolers switching to a jobs-oriented Apprenticeship program at age 15 or 16, so when they turn 18 they're trained up for an in-demand skilled trade with an established work experience/work-history already... not everyone is going on to college, nor does everyone need to.

Nowadays we think we have to prep everyone for college, and yet nearly 3/4ths flunk out within the first two years. Half of them didn't want to be there in the first place, methinks.
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That's such a great way to doom american's to a life of "...would you like fries with that."
 
ksu_aviator said:
That's such a great way to doom american's to a life of "...would you like fries with that."
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I'd say a fine way to RESCUE a lot of young folks who aren't particularly cut out for academics from flipping burgers, and give them a shot at a fairly good paying job welding, plumbing, operating heavy equipment, running oil derricks, driving a transfer truck, doing heavy rigging or demolition work, being an auto mechanic, a diesel mechanic, an office machine repairman, a concrete mason, a machine tool setup tech, and so on...
 
Ben K. said:
And the whole point of homework is the student is free to buck the education standards, they can complete the task as they see fit without the confines of a dictatorial teacher. The purpose is they attempt to tackle the work and manage their time accordingly. Strengths or weaknesses be damned and be punished accordingly if they haven,t.
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You're still required to complete the work, in the way the teacher wants.
I hate redundancy, it makes no sense to follow a unproductive standard of work.

If I can manage my time/work, better than what the teacher demands.

Ben K. said:
It may be hard for the clever ones who have to set aside ten minutes of their time to a useless pursuit (no matter how many times a better person than that is required to waste time in the real world), the not so gifted have to better themselves over corresponding hours and improves themselves.
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Why require everyone to follow the same path, when people have different skill levels and talents?
 
Yes it is. However, I believe that it has to be measured. In my sons middle school in Michigan (normal school) you were given demerits for any infractioin including not doing homework. Once a certain level was reached depending on the issue you went to in school detention or were sent home. It also determined whether you could participate in school activities or even sports.

It worked extremely well even though it was somewhat subjective.
 
Goshin said:
I'd say a fine way to RESCUE a lot of young folks who aren't particularly cut out for academics from flipping burgers, and give them a shot at a fairly good paying job welding, plumbing, operating heavy equipment, running oil derricks, driving a transfer truck, doing heavy rigging or demolition work, being an auto mechanic, a diesel mechanic, an office machine repairman, a concrete mason, a machine tool setup tech, and so on...
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Given that almost all of those jobs require little to no training, I'd like to know what the heck they'd be doing in school learning a job that doesn't need much training?
 
ksu_aviator said:
Given that almost all of those jobs require little to no training, I'd like to know what the heck they'd be doing in school learning a job that doesn't need much training?
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Me thinks your opinion is incorrect.
Mechanics, machine tool and die, etc are specialized skills, requiring knowledge and training.
 
ksu_aviator said:
Given that almost all of those jobs require little to no training, I'd like to know what the heck they'd be doing in school learning a job that doesn't need much training?
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Many of these trades do indeed require a certain amount of technical knowlege and hands-on skill to perform WELL. An apprenticeship would allow the teenager to learn the trade and then get JOB EXPERIENCE in it, making them much more employable.

If you think welding is not a skill, I suggest you talk to my buddy who does highly technical and dangerous welding on pipelines and oil rigs and makes six figures a year. Granted he is at the top end of his profession, but "trade" does not mean "any idiot can walk on and do this job".

Ever tried to back an 18 wheeler with a trailer into a loading dock with eighteen inches to spare on either side without hitting another trailer? Give it try sometime and tell me it isn't a skill.
 
If it needs training, why does the government need to provide it? Clearly those jobs are being filled. Why is it the government's responsibility?
 
ksu_aviator said:
Uh...no they don't.
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Um, yeah they do. Gov't mandates a lot of things on curriculum and whatnot even for private schools and homeschool.
 
yes ,necessary ,because they must practise out of class what they learnt during the class and gain some responsibility .....
 
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