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    Re: Is Homework Detention necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Im not sure I understand homework the way you do. There are countless subjects you may be asked to address in your own time and whether you're strong at the or not you are expected to complete the task at hand. If you're weak you set the time aside, if you're strong you can relax and recreate. It's about personal time management that will continue to be a past of your life until the day you die.

    The fact you understood the work and found it useless is pretty absurd as a complaint, most don't and are simply being taught in the ways of personal responsibility.
    Well, I have to admit, I have a strong bias against current education standards.
    I feel that it has left a lot of people behind, with the intent to appeal the average student, rather than all students.

    High ability kids are often, left to languish.
    And please don't say honors and ap classes exist for them.
    They are often the same course work, with more useless work.
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    Re: Is Homework Detention necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Well, I have to admit, I have a strong bias against current education standards.
    I feel that it has left a lot of people behind, with the intent to appeal the average student, rather than all students.

    High ability kids are often, left to languish.
    And please don't say honors and ap classes exist for them.
    They are often the same course work, with more useless work.
    And the whole point of homework is the student is free to buck the education standards, they can complete the task as they see fit without the confines of a dictatorial teacher. The purpose is they attempt to tackle the work and manage their time accordingly. Strengths or weaknesses be damned and be punished accordingly if they haven,t.

    It may be hard for the clever ones who have to set aside ten minutes of their time to a useless pursuit (no matter how many times a better person than that is required to waste time in the real world), the not so gifted have to better themselves over corresponding hours and improves themselves.

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    Re: Is Homework Detention necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Screw homework. Frankly I'd prefer to see half of High Schoolers switching to a jobs-oriented Apprenticeship program at age 15 or 16, so when they turn 18 they're trained up for an in-demand skilled trade with an established work experience/work-history already... not everyone is going on to college, nor does everyone need to.

    Nowadays we think we have to prep everyone for college, and yet nearly 3/4ths flunk out within the first two years. Half of them didn't want to be there in the first place, methinks.
    That's such a great way to doom american's to a life of "...would you like fries with that."
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    Re: Is Homework Detention necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    That's such a great way to doom american's to a life of "...would you like fries with that."

    I'd say a fine way to RESCUE a lot of young folks who aren't particularly cut out for academics from flipping burgers, and give them a shot at a fairly good paying job welding, plumbing, operating heavy equipment, running oil derricks, driving a transfer truck, doing heavy rigging or demolition work, being an auto mechanic, a diesel mechanic, an office machine repairman, a concrete mason, a machine tool setup tech, and so on...

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    Re: Is Homework Detention necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    And the whole point of homework is the student is free to buck the education standards, they can complete the task as they see fit without the confines of a dictatorial teacher. The purpose is they attempt to tackle the work and manage their time accordingly. Strengths or weaknesses be damned and be punished accordingly if they haven,t.
    You're still required to complete the work, in the way the teacher wants.
    I hate redundancy, it makes no sense to follow a unproductive standard of work.

    If I can manage my time/work, better than what the teacher demands.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    It may be hard for the clever ones who have to set aside ten minutes of their time to a useless pursuit (no matter how many times a better person than that is required to waste time in the real world), the not so gifted have to better themselves over corresponding hours and improves themselves.
    Why require everyone to follow the same path, when people have different skill levels and talents?
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    Re: Is Homework Detention necessary?

    Yes it is. However, I believe that it has to be measured. In my sons middle school in Michigan (normal school) you were given demerits for any infractioin including not doing homework. Once a certain level was reached depending on the issue you went to in school detention or were sent home. It also determined whether you could participate in school activities or even sports.

    It worked extremely well even though it was somewhat subjective.
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    Re: Is Homework Detention necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I'd say a fine way to RESCUE a lot of young folks who aren't particularly cut out for academics from flipping burgers, and give them a shot at a fairly good paying job welding, plumbing, operating heavy equipment, running oil derricks, driving a transfer truck, doing heavy rigging or demolition work, being an auto mechanic, a diesel mechanic, an office machine repairman, a concrete mason, a machine tool setup tech, and so on...
    Given that almost all of those jobs require little to no training, I'd like to know what the heck they'd be doing in school learning a job that doesn't need much training?
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    Re: Is Homework Detention necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Given that almost all of those jobs require little to no training, I'd like to know what the heck they'd be doing in school learning a job that doesn't need much training?
    Me thinks your opinion is incorrect.
    Mechanics, machine tool and die, etc are specialized skills, requiring knowledge and training.
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    Re: Is Homework Detention necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Given that almost all of those jobs require little to no training, I'd like to know what the heck they'd be doing in school learning a job that doesn't need much training?

    Many of these trades do indeed require a certain amount of technical knowlege and hands-on skill to perform WELL. An apprenticeship would allow the teenager to learn the trade and then get JOB EXPERIENCE in it, making them much more employable.

    If you think welding is not a skill, I suggest you talk to my buddy who does highly technical and dangerous welding on pipelines and oil rigs and makes six figures a year. Granted he is at the top end of his profession, but "trade" does not mean "any idiot can walk on and do this job".

    Ever tried to back an 18 wheeler with a trailer into a loading dock with eighteen inches to spare on either side without hitting another trailer? Give it try sometime and tell me it isn't a skill.

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    Re: Is Homework Detention necessary?

    If it needs training, why does the government need to provide it? Clearly those jobs are being filled. Why is it the government's responsibility?
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