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    Re: Is Homework Detention necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    No, of course, it's not necessarily true. I've known many, many folks who were the first in their families to finish high school, much less college, much less advanced degrees.
    I have no doubt, but, not in the area I grew up in many are dead and many more still "stuck". I am one of the lucky ones I assure you

    But what is true is that American students are measurably not learning what previous Americans took for granted--the "three R's." What has changed? All my life, just about everybody I ever met who finished 8th grade had these three basics down better than kids today.

    Take a look at the number of "developmental" courses that colleges must offer. Why? Because the same "Not-my-little-Johnnie!" helicopter parents who demand that "accommodations" be made allow their kids to not do math homework, knowing that the kid will still be given a 50 and through other credits graduate. Then they're enraged when the kid can't take a college math course for credit, sometimes over and over, LOL.
    This is a nice story, however, my involvement with school is very steep and I know what the curriculum is requiring the student to do. I cannot disagree with you more strenuously based on my experiences, observations and involvement in school education. In order to have these "accommodations", you speak of, the child must be evaluated by a school psychiatrist and must be determined to have "special educations" needs at which point an Individual Education Program(IEP) will be provided. No one can unilaterally change a child's educational program because a parent wishes it to be. You speak of pure fantasy.

    I believe much of the problem is with the standardized tests and teaching to the tests.

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    Re: Is Homework Detention necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    But everybody does need to learn that life isn't like Burger King--you don't always get to have it your way.

    My job increasingly requires bean-counting--contributions to the lords of the databases--and it's time-consumptive and sometimes dumb, particularly when I know that nobody will ever look at the beans. For example, a few months ago I had to take data from a wide variety of sources (and from more than one computer and flashdrive) and convert it all into a PDF that ran over 360 pages.

    Did I gripe? Heck, yes. Did I do it? Heck, yes. I like having the lights on every day and being able to make my car payment.
    Well personally I think that's the wrong approach to take and the wrong lesson to draw from homework...but then, I subscribe to the Tim Ferriss "don't let other people waste your time" school of thought. If someone is forcing me to do something that's a complete waste of time, I'll either avoid it entirely if possible or do the absolute minimum required if I can't avoid it. But I should point out that this is only for homework (or other work) that truly ARE a waste of time. If the homework can help a student understand the material better, then I completely agree that they should do it.

    I'm a big fan of the 80-20 rule. 20% of your efforts will produce 80% of your results...and 80% of your efforts will produce only 20% of your results. The key is to eliminate the unproductive 80% of efforts as much as possible, because it's generally not a good use of one's time.
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    Re: Is Homework Detention necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    It means exactly what was written. Should I have added the word hardworking so it would have been more clear to you?
    Is your position that those other than Asian's are not proficient enough to work for you?

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    Re: Is Homework Detention necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The fact is, school doesn't prepare you for the work world, beyond basic reading and math.
    What a load of ****. A quality school instills or helps instill the discipline, standards, reasoning skills, interpersonal skills and many other qualities necessary for the work world. In fact, the higher education you have the greater a person's document, prose and qualitative literacy tends to be - all of which are essential for surviving and thriving in the "work world." Your position is directly contradictory to what research says.

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    Re: Is Homework Detention necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    What a load of ****. A quality school instills or helps instill the discipline, standards, reasoning skills, interpersonal skills and many other qualities necessary for the work world. In fact, the higher education you have the greater a person's document, prose and qualitative literacy tends to be - all of which are essential for surviving and thriving in the "work world." Your position is directly contradictory to what research says.
    Perhaps you are correct that that is what a "quality school" does. The problem is that that is not what most schools in the United States do. In my experience most students are still drones with no ability to think critically when they graduate...including most of the smart ones. Sure, they might know all about trigonometry and the Civil War and Newton's Laws of Motion (or they might have forgotten it the day after the test), but that's a far cry from "reasoning skills" IMO.

    Harry is correct that schools rarely prepare students for the work world beyond basic reading and math. Even the stuff I learned in business school is rarely applicable to my job...let alone what I learned in high school.
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    Re: Is Homework Detention necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Perhaps you are correct that that is what a "quality school" does. The problem is that that is not what most schools in the United States do. In my experience most students are still drones with no ability to think critically when they graduate...including most of the smart ones. Sure, they might know all about trigonometry and the Civil War and Newton's Laws of Motion (or they might have forgotten it the day after the test), but that's a far cry from "reasoning skills" IMO.

    Harry is correct that schools rarely prepare students for the work world beyond basic reading and math. Even the stuff I learned in business school is rarely applicable to my job...let alone what I learned in high school.
    Again, what you and Harry are saying directly contradicts facts/research. As I said, the higher your education, the greater your prose, document and quantitative literacy are. For more information on what those types of literacy refer to: ETS Literacy: Literacy Types

    What you, Harry and others are doing are making arguments that are based either in anomalous experiences or in complete unawareness of facts.

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    Re: Is Homework Detention necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    A whole bunch of fail in this thread, I'm sorry I read it. If doing just enough to get buy is what passes for education nowadays, I'll be hiring more Asians well into the future.

    To an extent, I agree.
    We have many with their own opinions...such as no homework and a shorter school day..
    They have their legit points.
    As to Asians and made in China - there is a reason for this and its much more than a wage of ten cents per hour.

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    Re: Is Homework Detention necessary?

    There have been reports that homework below a certain grade level is worthless, but above a certain level it can be beneficial. How would one ever even get through a single AP English class novel if people only had to read while in class? I am a huge fan of Harkness though so I despise most of what DC has done to education and lay the blame at the feet of both sides.

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    Re: Is Homework Detention necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Again, what you and Harry are saying directly contradicts facts/research. As I said, the higher your education, the greater your prose, document and quantitative literacy are. For more information on what those types of literacy refer to: ETS Literacy: Literacy Types
    Well, I definitely believe you that people with higher education are better at those things than people with lesser education. The question is whether that's correlation or causation. Did the education cause people to have more skills in those areas...or are people who are already talented in those areas more likely to seek out a higher education? (Incidentally, nothing in my schooling would've led me to ask such a question in the first place. Critical thinking is largely something that people in our education system don't learn until college, if at all.)


    In any case, those three areas you mentioned (prose / document / math skills) are not the same as critical thinking, or many of the other skills people will need for their lives. I agree that decent schools can do an OK job teaching things like math and language...but there are lots of other things that don't get taught.
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    Re: Is Homework Detention necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by marcus903 View Post
    If you haven't heard or don't know what Homework Detention is, it's a form of discipline that penalizes students who don't do their homework.

    I've been to one school that did this, I just want to say that it was very overused and very harsh. Teachers would give you homework detention for missing ONE homework assignment. It was like being punished for missing one day of swimming class.

    The schools that do this needs to get back to reality. It's okay to punish students who don't do their homework, but have to give them detention for missing one assignment just proves that you are desperate. Homework isn't really that important. At the school I'm at now, the teachers are not even uptight about such an obsessive assignment. They're not even going to ask or keep you after school.

    Is homework detention necessary?
    Anyone that thinks it isn't necessary is part of the problem. Education is meant to better the child's knowledge and by proxy their futures. If you, or anyone, advocates allowing them to forgo their obligations, you are essentially giving them a permission slip to fail.
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