Obama and the african american constituency. [W:50]

Aberration said:

You obviously know nothing about how the Irish were treated. Or the Chinese. Or currently Mexicans.

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Yes, the Irish were treated terribly. I'll give you that. The Irish were treated very, very badly. So I'll retract that statement a little bit.

And the Chinese and Mexicans aren't "the white race".

Rainman05 said:

Ok. So then you consider that I should use the same word to describe people like Neil DeGrasse Tyson and Lil'wayne?

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How about you both call them "black", since that is what they are?

It has little or no importance this election at all for any minorities.

zstep18 said:

How about you both call them "black", since that is what they are?

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They are both part of the same race, yes. Are they deserving of the same description? No. They aren't. One is a credit to his race... and rightfully so... the other is an embarrassment to his race... come to think of it... to the whole human species. But w/e. I am trying to say that people who are doing their race such discredit do not deserve to be put in the same pot with those who do credit to their race. Thus, the term niggers for people like lil'wayne who propagate the ghetto loser mentality... and blacks or african americans for good, hard-working black people.

I make these distinctions as I make them within the white race. I would very much like for whites to be considered and regarded by the best of us. The countless people who bring credit to the white race every single day. I would like people who are an embarrasment to the white race to be considered white trash... not be put in the same pot as the rest of us who are trying to make a decent living and do good in the world by working and learning. Ofc, legally, it should be the same... no distinction. But perception-wise, a lot of distinction.

And herein is why the term cracker is worse than the term nigger. The term nigger only applies to the scum of the black community... while the blacks who use the term cracker point it at all whites, regardless of their achievements in life and their accomplishments.

Rainman05 said:

And herein is why the term cracker is worse than the term nigger. The term nigger only applies to the scum of the black community... while the blacks who use the term cracker point it at all whites, regardless of their achievements in life and their accomplishments.

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Yes, cause I'm sure an "accomplished" black person would agree with this distinction.

zstep18 said:

Yes, cause I'm sure an "accomplished" black person would agree with this distinction.

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Unless you start calling a spade a spade and a heart a heart, you will never accomplish anything.

Rainman05 said:

Unless you start calling a spade a spade and a heart a heart, you will never accomplish anything.

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Would you use the "n" word in front of someone who was black?

zstep18 said:

Would you use the "n" word in front of someone who was black?

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Depends on the black man.

I would not go in the ghetto and use the word nigger there if that is what you mean. Because the ghetto is full of niggers.

Rainman05 said:

Depends on the black man.

I would not go in the ghetto and use the word nigger there if that is what you mean. Because the ghetto is full of niggers.

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How about just the general public?

zstep18 said:

How about just the general public?

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Can I know where you are going with this? I am just curious on what you want to prove? That the world is stupid or that just because a lot of people have a lot of loud mouths that they are correct? Or that the world is full of virgin whores. Because you cannot prove anything else by your current line of inquiry except one of those.

Rainman05 said:

Can I know where you are going with this? I am just curious on what you want to prove? That the world is stupid or that just because a lot of people have a lot of loud mouths that they are correct? Or that the world is full of virgin whores. Because you cannot prove anything else by your current line of inquiry except one of those.

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My point is that if you have no problem using the word over the internet, then you should practice what you preach, and do the same in the general public.

zstep18 said:

My point is that if you have no problem using the word over the internet, then you should practice what you preach, and do the same in the general public.

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I find it hilarious how dishonest and uneducated that poster is about such a subject and its equally funny how he dodged your question, i wonder why?

zstep18 said:

My point is that if you have no problem using the word over the internet, then you should practice what you preach, and do the same in the general public.

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there is a difference between advocacy and being stupid isn't there?

I am well aware that not everybody sees things this way because their minds are infatuated with the oversensitive reactions of the mainstream media. Most people like things the way they are or are too afraid to try and make a difference. I am in no bull****, no political correctness club. I don't care what words are used to describe people if the description is accurate. There would be no need for the word nigger if the ghetto life of the black community would not be such a large part, or rather, have such a large impact on the black community.

Lets get rid of the word nigger entirely by getting rid of the source. Not by self-censoring ourselves. censorship never lead to anything good. One way to do this is to gradually adopt my thought pattern and bring it into the spotlight. If it doesn't, I guarantee you, 20 years from now, you will have the same problems in the same ghettos.. just like you had the same problem 20 yeas ago, 40 years ago and 60 years ago... and so on and so forth. The reason why this problem persisted was, in part, because of niggers and how the nigger mentality is adopted by a significant portion of the black community. Or at least... by a loud portion of the black community. Differentiating that portion from the rest is the key to making people want to migrate from the nigger part of the black community to the proper, civil part of the black community.


The difference is I bring a solution... you bring indignation.

Rainman05 said:

there is a difference between advocacy and being stupid isn't there?

I am well aware that not everybody sees things this way because their minds are infatuated with the oversensitive reactions of the mainstream media. Most people like things the way they are or are too afraid to try and make a difference. I am in no bull****, no political correctness club. I don't care what words are used to describe people if the description is accurate. There would be no need for the word nigger if the ghetto life of the black community would not be such a large part, or rather, have such a large impact on the black community.

Lets get rid of the word nigger entirely by getting rid of the source. Not by self-censoring ourselves. censorship never lead to anything good. One way to do this is to gradually adopt my thought pattern and bring it into the spotlight. If it doesn't, I guarantee you, 20 years from now, you will have the same problems in the same ghettos.. just like you had the same problem 20 yeas ago, 40 years ago and 60 years ago... and so on and so forth. The reason why this problem persisted was, in part, because of niggers and how the nigger mentality is adopted by a significant portion of the black community. Or at least... by a loud portion of the black community. Differentiating that portion from the rest is the key to making people want to migrate from the nigger part of the black community to the proper, civil part of the black community.


The difference is I bring a solution... you bring indignation.

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wow you like to make up a lot of stuff and dodge a lot of questions dont you LMAO
every argument you make is something no one here is saying or arguing against, you talk in inane circiles and make meaningless points.

what solution did you bring? are you implying that you are helping by using the word nigger? :laughat:

because that is certainly what it "seems" like

sorry you are PART of the problem with society not part of the solution and everybody honest, objective, rational and logical sees that :Shrug:

Rainman05 said:

there is a difference between advocacy and being stupid isn't there?

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Advocacy of what? Using the "n" word?

Rainman05 said:

Lets get rid of the word nigger entirely by getting rid of the source. Not by self-censoring ourselves. censorship never lead to anything good. One way to do this is to gradually adopt my thought pattern and bring it into the spotlight. If it doesn't, I guarantee you, 20 years from now, you will have the same problems in the same ghettos.. just like you had the same problem 20 yeas ago, 40 years ago and 60 years ago... and so on and so forth. The reason why this problem persisted was, in part, because of niggers and how the nigger mentality is adopted by a significant portion of the black community. Or at least... by a loud portion of the black community. Differentiating that portion from the rest is the key to making people want to migrate from the nigger part of the black community to the proper, civil part of the black community

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Yes, spouting off the 'n' word sounds like a wonderful solution for the black community.

Rainman05 said:

The difference is I bring a solution... you bring indignation.

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None of what you have said is a solution. Calling the entire poor black community as the "n" word is not a solution. It is just hatred.

Objective-J said:

wow you like to make up a lot of stuff and dodge a lot of questions dont you LMAO
every argument you make is something no one here is saying or arguing against, you talk in inane circiles and make meaningless points.

what solution did you bring? are you implying that you are helping by using the word nigger? :laughat:

because that is certainly what it "seems" like

sorry you are PART of the problem with society not part of the solution and everybody honest, objective, rational and logical sees that :Shrug:

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No. Are the phrases too long for you or are you just inept?

I am the one who brings the solution. That is what I do in my life, I solve problems. The first step in solving a problem is by calling the problem by its name or by giving it a name.

You have the black community in its entirety. Within the black community you see numerous influences. For the sake of this exercise, we will argue that there are 2 sides. The good side, and the bad side. Good influences.. and negative influences in the black community.

The good influences, in their collectiveness, shall, for this exercise, be represented by Neil Degrasse Tyson (NDT) while the negative influences shall be represented by Lil'Wayne. Ok?

In order to make sure that NDT has more influence and power attraction in the black community, you need to clearly differentiate himself from lil'wayne's side right? You can't call them both the same name. They need different names. So the people who will be attracted by lil'wayne will be the niggers and the people attracted by NDT will be the african americans. When you get to this point, you can criticize niggers without offending the black community, only the niggers in lil waynes side and make them understand that they are on the wrong side of the black cultural sphere... and thus, begin the process to get them to NDT cultural sphere and eurika, you turn niggers into african americans who become good, proper members of the american society.

Got it? I cannot possibly spell it out clearer than this. I mean, I can, but I won't... because you are a hopeless case if you cannot understand this. The most I could do is draw you a picture.

Re: Obama and the african american constituency.

Voltaire X said:

Would you consider white street thugs that live in the ghetto to be niggers too?

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I would. I think the term is actually "wigger". As soon as I read his response I understood exactly what he meant and knew there would be those who were going to throw down on the use of the term. It's programmed oversensitivity at it's finest. The same pople offended by the use here would dismiss it in a rap song or in casual use by someone who was black. The term was used here as a descriptor that clearly separated the use of the term from a blanket statement of an entire race. To me allowing one group of people being allowed to use the term while others can not is racist. The use here is not, and I'm glad there are those here who know the difference.

zstep18 said:

Advocacy of what? Using the "n" word?

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Yes, spouting off the 'n' word sounds like a wonderful solution for the black community.



None of what you have said is a solution. Calling the entire poor black community as the "n" word is not a solution. It is just hatred.

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1. Read the above post. It is the last one I make on this topic. If you can't understand what I am writing, then I won't bother anymore. You are too far left to understand anything in regards to making problems go away. Not surprising for a wide range of reasons.

2. I never called poor black people niggers. I am not talking about poor black people at all. Poor black people who are honest are not niggers. Black people, regardless of financial wellness, who cause problems and adopt the nigger lifestyle are niggers. Very simple. It has nothing to do with wealth and everything to do with behavior.

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Rainman05 said:

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No. Are the phrases too long for you or are you just inept?

I am the one who brings the solution. That is what I do in my life, I solve problems. The first step in solving a problem is by calling the problem by its name or by giving it a name.

You have the black community in its entirety. Within the black community you see numerous influences. For the sake of this exercise, we will argue that there are 2 sides. The good side, and the bad side. Good influences.. and negative influences in the black community.

The good influences, in their collectiveness, shall, for this exercise, be represented by Neil Degrasse Tyson (NDT) while the negative influences shall be represented by Lil'Wayne. Ok?

In order to make sure that NDT has more influence and power attraction in the black community, you need to clearly differentiate himself from lil'wayne's side right? You can't call them both the same name. They need different names. So the people who will be attracted by lil'wayne will be the niggers and the people attracted by NDT will be the african americans. When you get to this point, you can criticize niggers without offending the black community, only the niggers in lil waynes side and make them understand that they are on the wrong side of the black cultural sphere... and thus, begin the process to get them to NDT cultural sphere and eurika, you turn niggers into african americans who become good, proper members of the american society.

Got it? I cannot possibly spell it out clearer than this. I mean, I can, but I won't... because you are a hopeless case if you cannot understand this. The most I could do is draw you a picture.

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a long post that says nothing and just failed insults, very telling lol

sorry using that word is not a solution and that fact is proven by reality. shrug

that word is a disgrace and not needed NOBODY is grouping all people together, nobody

This is where the lie part comes in. Nobody is saying that people, HUMANS that are free loaders or criminals or anything else are the same as good HUMANS that are good members of society. The issue is the avg person has the intellect to have a deep vocabulary and understands the reality of words and life. Identifying people who are not good for society is VERY easy and it most certainly doesnt need the word nigger to do it

again you havent brought any solutions only problems.

reality is, what you say you are trying to accomplish (which nobody believes you lol) can be done without the use of that word and smart people understand this.

also where your broken logic HUGELY fails is that nobody objective and honest judges blacks as a whole or whites as a whole or latinos as a whole based off the good or bad PEOPLE among them, that would be idiotic. They are all just people.

smart people also understand that what the OP is asking is that his race is a minor issue in reality. There are probably some people it matters too + or - but again those people like yourself are part of the problem and not part of the solution.

there are good PEOPLE and bad PEOPLE thats it :shrug:

people that cant comprehend that are part of the problem, its doesnt need broken up into race. Let me know when you are ready to be honest.

One thing I think some people just don't get; black voters vote almost 100% democrat in all elections and it has nothing to do with the races of the candidates. There is no such think as undecided black voters. President Bush in 2000 got the highest percentage at about 10% if I recall, and that was shockingly high. Obama's race might effect enthusiasm among black voters but not the choice to vote democrat.

In the interest of a more accurate sample in determining if blacks supported Obama just because he's black, back that thang up to the DEMOCRATiC primary of 08. By the time things got hot and heavy it was a contest between Senator Obama and Senator Clinton. Obama got an overwhelming majority of black votes in the primary, right? No. Not exactly. Hillary Clinton initially was leading in the polls among black voters and had most of the black power players endorsements. Obama started to gain traction and was pretty much neck and neck with Clinton. If you look at JUST the black numbers, it was also essentially tied. Then Obama started to pull ahead slightly and like many politicians she and her campaign apparently panicked and started to deeply offended black voters. Specifically, she minimized the importance of and insulted the memory of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Obama started getting compared to Dr. King due to his public speaking abilities. Sen. Clinton reacted by trying to compare herself to LBJ, saying MLK just made speeches but it was LBJ who got things done as a policy maker. This had the effect of sending the message to black voters that she didn't think MLK did anything of real importance and the roughly half of black voter support she enjoyed started to flock to Obama. This was not because of Obama's race but because of Sen. Clinton's insulting statements about Matin Luther King.

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a long post that says nothing and just failed insults, very telling lol

sorry using that word is not a solution and that fact is proven by reality. shrug

that word is a disgrace and not needed NOBODY is grouping all people together, nobody

This is where the lie part comes in. Nobody is saying that people, HUMANS that are free loaders or criminals or anything else are the same as good HUMANS that are good members of society. The issue is the avg person has the intellect to have a deep vocabulary and understands the reality of words and life. Identifying people who are not good for society is VERY easy and it most certainly doesnt need the word nigger to do it

again you havent brought any solutions only problems.

reality is, what you say you are trying to accomplish (which nobody believes you lol) can be done without the use of that word and smart people understand this.

also where your broken logic HUGELY fails is that nobody objective and honest judges blacks as a whole or whites as a whole or latinos as a whole based off the good or bad PEOPLE among them, that would be idiotic. They are all just people.

smart people also understand that what the OP is asking is that his race is a minor issue in reality. There are probably some people it matters too + or - but again those people like yourself are part of the problem and not part of the solution.

there are good PEOPLE and bad PEOPLE thats it :shrug:

people that cant comprehend that are part of the problem, its doesnt need broken up into race. Let me know when you are ready to be honest.

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I have finished what I had to say as promised.

I won't engage in further discussion on the topic. It is an hopeless topic for you and the other dude and I shan't waste anymore of my time, and yours, on this. Unless something is done, nothing will change. Years will pass and in the next big event concerning the black community you will have the same issues... and after that... and the one after that.

Just a recap

last 9 presidential elections the % of black vote that has gone to the dems:

BLACK
2008: 95
2004: 88
2000: 90
1996: 84
1992: 83
1988: 89
1984: 91
1980: 83
1976: 83

white
2008: 43
2004: 41
2000: 42
1996: 44
1992: 39
1988: 40
1984: 34
1980: 36
1976: 48

Hispanic
2008: 67
2004: 53
2000: 62
1996: 73
1992: 69
1988: 70
1984: 66
1980: 56
1976: 82



Asian
2008: 62
2004: 56
2000: 55
1996: 44
1992: 31
1988: -
1984: -
1980: -
1976: -

Rainman05 said:

I have finished what I had to say as promised.

I won't engage in further discussion on the topic. It is an hopeless topic for you and the other dude and I shan't waste anymore of my time, and yours, on this. Unless something is done, nothing will change. Years will pass and in the next big event concerning the black community you will have the same issues... and after that... and the one after that.

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I agree it is hopeless to try and make rational people see what is irrational so no we will never recognized your broken logic.

and again your post above about what you think are problems in the black community has nothing to do with your usage of the word nigger and you repeating it doesnt defend you using it :shrug:

its a deflection to try and seem like you are making a concrete intelligible point, its an attempt to defend using that word, but you have solidly failed.

again honesty is not your strong suit and i shows.

I'm a blacK person and my brother;s and sisters are voteing for Obama because he is black.I have a few who will not vote for him because he believes in gay marriage.I did not vote for him before and I'm not voteing this time arround.I only hope when they get inside the voteing booth they will change their mines.It was white people who really put him in office in the first place.There are not enough blacks to sway a vote.So I say to you white people you better get out and vote and get Obama out of the whitehouse or you will be takeing care of 46% of the people who put him back in office.You white people if you had;nt gone with the blacks Obama would have lost.I'm a democrat but Iam voteing for Mitt.Each night I pray for him because he is a good man and I hope God agrees with me.