View Poll Results: Where does Obama's skin color rank in importance?

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  • It influences a great deal all (white, asian, black and latino)

    5 31.25%
  • It ranks very high among black voters

    8 50.00%
  • It can tip the balance for black voters if undecided

    4 25.00%
  • It has little or no influence over black voters

    3 18.75%
  • It ranks high among mexicans and asians

    0 0%
  • It tips the balance for undecided mexican voters

    2 12.50%
  • It is of no importance for mexican voters

    5 31.25%
  • It is very important for whites

    1 6.25%
  • It can tip the balance for undecided white voters

    2 12.50%
  • It doesn't matter for whites

    7 43.75%
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Thread: Obama and the african american constituency. [W:50]

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    re: Obama and the african american constituency. [W:50]

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    I don't understand what you're saying. Using the "n" word is wrong. That's the end of it.

    I don't get nearly offended by the term "white trash" as I do the "N" word, well, because the "white race" has felt nothing throughout history on anywhere near the same level as African-Americans or other ethnicities.
    Really? That's it. You sir are completely ignorant of history. Your entire personality in this regard is dictated by what you heard on TV. You will have a bright future in the media or in those soap operas where the requirement for people is to be automatons in regards to how they think and feel about things. You may think this untrue. You may think that indeed, you do know a lot of about a lot of things, especially history. But you don't. Otherwise, you would have never made that statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by gavinfielder View Post
    Because the word is shaming in itself. That's what makes a racial slur; it's a term that includes the sociolinguistic implication of racial inferiority and hence using it is condescending and disrespectful to another race. My ethics, at least, would keep me from using racial slurs in reference to other races besides my own.
    did you read the rest of the posts in the context which it was used?

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    re: Obama and the african american constituency. [W:50]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Really? That's it. You sir are completely ignorant of history. Your entire personality in this regard is dictated by what you heard on TV. You will have a bright future in the media or in those soap operas where the requirement for people is to be automatons in regards to how they think and feel about things. You may think this untrue. You may think that indeed, you do know a lot of about a lot of things, especially history. But you don't. Otherwise, you would have never made that statement.
    You haven't presented anything but white supremacist babble.

    I have a major in history. So, please tell me where I was wrong.

    Would you like to know that slavery in America was one of the worst instances of slavery in all of the history of the world?

    So, tell me, what has the "white race" endured that has been anywhere remotely close to what African-Americans and other ethnicities have endured in the United States?

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    re: Obama and the african american constituency. [W:50]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    did you read the rest of the posts in the context which it was used?
    Nope, I just jumped into it. Well, I read one, since Hatuey quoted it. You were dividing african americans into "educated blacks" and "niggers in the ghettos". That one?

    It doesn't make a difference. I wasn't necessarily condemning you using it, that's a question of personal ethics. I was just pointing out that words in any language represent ideas found in culture, and that racial slurs, as a category of words, imply racial inferiority, which is what makes them racial slurs. I mean, you can disagree, but that argument wouldn't be an argument over ethics, it would be an argument over linguistics, and possibly whether you're speaking the same language as the rest of us.
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    re: Obama and the african american constituency. [W:50]

    First off, culturally, Obama is a white as can be.

    It may have a tiny influence on votes, but it won't make the tiniest difference between party line voters. To say there's are zero white supremacists or that being african american has no appeal to any blacks is being nieve.

    But keep this in mind, I know of a former co-worker who's black and counts the fact that Obama is black against him (I'm sure the opposite case exist). In the end I think/hope most people vote on record/policy and the small percentage that votes on color probably comes close to balancing out.
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    re: Obama and the african american constituency. [W:50]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    I voted as follows:

    It tips the balance for blacks (ofc, I am considering the entire black population. Educated blacks will consider Obama's skin color less in my opinion while the niggers in the ghettos, if they end up voting at all, will care nothing about the other issues. This applies to the remaining black population which is neither part of the intellectual elite or the slums of society).

    It tips the balance for the latino community...

    And it matters a great deal for whites. Why? because of all the "if you don't vote for Obama, you're a racist! RACIST! RACIST! And all that jazz.. spewed by the mentally bankrupt.
    Hum wonder who this "Independent" votes for =P.
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    re: Obama and the african american constituency. [W:50]

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    You haven't presented anything by white supremacist babble.

    I have a major in history. So, please tell me where I was wrong.

    Would you like to know that slavery in America was one of the worst instances of slavery in all of the history of the world?

    So, tell me, what has the "white race" endured that has been any remotely close to what African-Americans and other ethnicities have endured?
    You have a major in bullsh*t and lying... as well as cereal box knowledge.

    I could think of dozens of cases, from all over Africa and Asia where slavery was far, far worse. Like China for instance. Slaves have been used as building blocks in the Great Wall when they couldn't work anymore. I don't recall that practice used in the USA. But what do I know. It doesn't mean that slavery in the USA was better, but it is far from the worst. Slavery in Africa is another instance that comes to mind. African tribal leaders would often go to war with other tribes and enslave them in order to conduct slave trade... slavery in India during the Murghal Empire. A muslim minority ruled over millions of hindus whom also endured several mass murders because muslims hated hindus. So no... western slavery was one of the kindest in history. In the Roman Empire, having well-fed and well-clothed slaves was a sign of prestige and honor.

    As for the white race, we had our share of suffering... and it was plenty. I can't believe you are so heartless as to disconsider the immense tragedies of history so casually... so... ignorantly. I just have no words. I am not being vague by any length... I am genuinely not able to comprehend these statements. I cannot believe anyone can be so... I don't have a word for it. But it is ignorant and racist and hateful at the power of 10.

    I'm done with you. Your pack of lies and anti-knowledge can take a hike.

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    re: Obama and the african american constituency. [W:50]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    You have a major in bullsh*t and lying... as well as cereal box knowledge.

    I could think of dozens of cases, from all over Africa and Asia where slavery was far, far worse. Like China for instance. Slaves have been used as building blocks in the Great Wall when they couldn't work anymore. I don't recall that practice used in the USA. But what do I know. It doesn't mean that slavery in the USA was better, but it is far from the worst. Slavery in Africa is another instance that comes to mind. African tribal leaders would often go to war with other tribes and enslave them in order to conduct slave trade... slavery in India during the Murghal Empire. A muslim minority ruled over millions of hindus whom also endured several mass murders because muslims hated hindus. So no... western slavery was one of the kindest in history. In the Roman Empire, having well-fed and well-clothed slaves was a sign of prestige and honor.

    "Western slavery was one of the the kindest in history"? Really?

    Something tells me you obviously haven't read much about slavery in America.

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    re: Obama and the african american constituency. [W:50]

    Quote Originally Posted by shiang View Post
    Hum wonder who this "Independent" votes for =P.
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    nobody.

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    re: Obama and the african american constituency. [W:50]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    I could think of dozens of cases, from all over Africa and Asia where slavery was far, far worse. Like China for instance. Slaves have been used as building blocks in the Great Wall when they couldn't work anymore. I don't recall that practice used in the USA. But what do I know. It doesn't mean that slavery in the USA was better, but it is far from the worst. Slavery in Africa is another instance that comes to mind. African tribal leaders would often go to war with other tribes and enslave them in order to conduct slave trade... slavery in India during the Murghal Empire. A muslim minority ruled over millions of hindus whom also endured several mass murders because muslims hated hindus. So no... western slavery was one of the kindest in history.
    Lol, I suppose that's valid. The kettle is the LEAST black, that's what counts!

    It's also true that racism is a much bigger politicized topic in America than it is in the rest of the world, or for that matter, in any culture besides white and black Americans. You ever hang out with Asians in an asian community? Racist as ****, and they don't give a rats ass about it.
    But it's not just slavery, though. It's racism. The Chinese were subjugated to white supremacy just as much as the blacks were, they just didn't complain as loudly, and their case was never much studied in high school textbooks. Which is why I originally wanted to quote this post, since you brought up the Great Wall, as when it comes to the Chinese, the building of the Transcontinental railroad comes to mind.

    Kindest in history? Ok, sure, I guess, but let's not forget that it was brutal here, too.
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    re: Obama and the african american constituency. [W:50]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    you do understand that the fact that I clearly disassociated normal blacks from the niggers who do all sort of crimes and give blacks a bad name is actually a tribute to decent black people.
    Yeah...I can't *imagine* why anyone would think you were a racist.
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