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    Re: Do you think most Blacks vote for Obama just because he black?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    didnt ignore anything I stated facts if you disagree and falsely think that I ignore MEANINGFUL facts please point them out LOL

    anyway like I said that jump is pretty meaningless since % wise there was no large influx in what party they voted for and OTHER demographics were also up more than they have been in 50 years.

    so again I reapeat its just basic facts unless there was ONLY an increase in the black demographic and they voted abnormally compared to history its a meaningless point.

    what dont you get? lol
    i hate these kind of discussions...

    I do not contest the fact that there was a larger overall turnout. I was merely pointing out those 2 curiosities god dammit.
    a) there was big increase of black show up at the polls despite the trend that the voter turnout for blacks decreased for decades in a row.
    b) that the black vote surpassed the white vote %-wise. Not number-wise... just %-wise. Something that has never happened before in the history of the USA.

    Nothing else. I am not trying to start a bloody debate on it. I agree with what you said, I don't ignore it, or counter it because there is no reason in doing any of them. What are you trying to do is to take the 2 things I pointed out and make them seem like they are no big deal... Well they are a big deal because they were part of the bloody electoral process that got Obama elected. I am pretty sure that Obama worried about how many blacks will vote for him this time around. So we should too.

    Do they matter in the outcome? Maybe. He only won the popular vote by 10mil people. About 7% more votes than what Mccain got. Part of that 7% is found here, in the increase of blacks who came out to vote.

    Can I ask where is it that you are trying to get at?

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    Re: Do you think most Blacks vote for Obama just because he black?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    i hate these kind of discussions...

    I do not contest the fact that there was a larger overall turnout. I was merely pointing out those 2 curiosities god dammit.
    a) there was big increase of black show up at the polls despite the trend that the voter turnout for blacks decreased for decades in a row.
    b) that the black vote surpassed the white vote %-wise. Not number-wise... just %-wise. Something that has never happened before in the history of the USA.

    Nothing else. I am not trying to start a bloody debate on it. I agree with what you said, I don't ignore it, or counter it because there is no reason in doing any of them. What are you trying to do is to take the 2 things I pointed out and make them seem like they are no big deal... Well they are a big deal because they were part of the bloody electoral process that got Obama elected. I am pretty sure that Obama worried about how many blacks will vote for him this time around. So we should too.

    Do they matter in the outcome? Maybe. He only won the popular vote by 10mil people. About 7% more votes than what Mccain got. Part of that 7% is found here, in the increase of blacks who came out to vote.

    Can I ask where is it that you are trying to get at?
    yes the answer to these are basically the same

    per the OP, the discussion at hand and the facts surrounding last election they are in fact no big deal to the topic

    again I ask you what meaningful facts did I ignore or are you now taking that statement back?
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    Re: Do you think most Blacks vote for Obama just because he black?

    Frankly, I don't see the significants of this poll. The originator seems to think that Barack H. Obama was the first, if not the only, Black Democratic presidential candidate. He is not, but he was the first Blacks (and many Whites) saw as credible, intelligent and electable since Shirley Chisholm (1972) and Jesse Jackson (1988 in particular). But this doesn't suggest that Blacks voted for these two individuals or even Pres. Obama just because they are Black. More Blacks may have turned out for them, but as other posters have made clear, Blacks have been voting overwhelming for Democratic presidential candidates not based on the racial makeup of the candidates themselves but because their positions on the issues were closely aligned with the candidate's.

    I think folks should read this study from the University of Nebraska - Lincoln, "Participation in Electorial Politics" to get a clearer picture of why Blacks tend to vote for liberal candidates moreso than hard-Right Conservative Republicans. Here's a clue: It's about inclusion, not exclusion.

    Now, if Republicans want to change this voting dynamic the best thing they can do is stop stirring the racial pot, do more to help poor Blacks get ahead economically and above all STOP seeing minorities as a small segment of the electorate to manipulate. This poll is an example of such manipulation. Instead of asking what social, economic and/or political benefits Blacks beleive they may gain by voting to re-elect Pres. Obama, the poll is purposely designed to divide opinions squarely along racial (and/or political) lines.
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 09-30-12 at 06:44 PM.

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    Re: Do you think most Blacks vote for Obama just because he black?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    yes the answer to these are basically the same

    per the OP, the discussion at hand and the facts surrounding last election they are in fact no big deal to the topic

    again I ask you what meaningful facts did I ignore or are you now taking that statement back?
    First off, what does OP mean?

    Second of all, and lets end it with this because its getting rather silly. It seems to me that you have absolutely no point you are trying to make... maybe based on the assumption that I had a point to make where as I only wanted to present some data... bring another dimension to the discussion. All I wanted to point out was a) and b) from the above post. Which was mentioned in the first post that started this discussion. That's it. Those are the facts which you considered to be insufficient by themselves and tried to gobble them up in something else. To prove some point of yours... or whatever. I really have no idea why the previous 8 comments had to exist in the first place and if you reply to this comment on the same line of questioning it will be 10 comments I will have no idea why they needed to exist what so ever.

    You don't even have to answer what OP means... I will figure it out myself. Or someone will send me a PM.

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    Re: Do you think most Blacks vote for Obama just because he black?

    It couldn't have been just because of his skin tone, as most black people won't tolerate one of their own who doesn't have a definite Marxist flavor about him.

    Barack Hussein Obama fit the bill on both counts.

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    Re: Do you think most Blacks vote for Obama just because he black?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    First off, what does OP mean?

    Second of all, and lets end it with this because its getting rather silly. It seems to me that you have absolutely no point you are trying to make... maybe based on the assumption that I had a point to make where as I only wanted to present some data... bring another dimension to the discussion. All I wanted to point out was a) and b) from the above post. Which was mentioned in the first post that started this discussion. That's it. Those are the facts which you considered to be insufficient by themselves and tried to gobble them up in something else. To prove some point of yours... or whatever. I really have no idea why the previous 8 comments had to exist in the first place and if you reply to this comment on the same line of questioning it will be 10 comments I will have no idea why they needed to exist what so ever.

    You don't even have to answer what OP means... I will figure it out myself. Or someone will send me a PM.

    translation: you cant not point out any meaningful facts I ignored and my point still stands per the discussion you A and B are meaningless thats what I thought

    my point was very clear you simply seem not able to grasp the truth of it.

    and please dont try to lie, I never in anyway considered them sufficient by themselves, I was just stating the fact the are meaningless to the debate which they are.

    so bottom line, I didnt ignore any meaningful facts that was an untrue post by you and your two points dont impact the OP in anyway.
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    Re: Do you think most Blacks vote for Obama just because he black?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Not sure but I saw about a half dozen be interviewed.
    Because that's what got published? Is it shown anywhere how many were interviewed and not published?

    More importantly....do you honestly believe we're all that stupid?
    Last edited by mac; 09-30-12 at 07:18 PM.

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    Re: Do you think most Blacks vote for Obama just because he black?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    It couldn't have been just because of his skin tone, as most black people won't tolerate one of their own who doesn't have a definite Marxist flavor about him.

    Barack Hussein Obama fit the bill on both counts.
    Oh, what a crock! Blacks are no more Marxist, Communist or Socialist than anyone else. Personally, I dont' know nor have I ever known of a single Black person who subscribes to these political views as a whole. That doesn't mean that political activist - Blacks or Whites - haven't utilized some of the methods commonly associated with these political ideologies, but you'd best be careful with how you frame this particular argument or who you attempt to pin it on. Ignorance is bliss!

    Though your political lean is listed as Independent, folks who consider themselves Republican or Conservative would probably be shocked to learn that the Architect, Karl Rove - a man who is highly regarded in modern Republican political circles and the brains behind both of GW Bush's presidential campaigns - admitted to reading literature by Karl Marx and using his techniques in his book, "Courage and Consequence". Does that mean White people who voted for GW Bush put their support behind a man with "a definite Marxist flavor about him"?

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    Re: Do you think most Blacks vote for Obama just because he black?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I watched a show the other day where where the Moderator went on the street and told Obama voters that Obama is Pro Life, against all abortions, and against equal rights for gays.........90% of them said they knew that already and were still going to vote for him so the question begs to be asked..........
    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Do you know how many he interviewed?
    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Not sure but I saw about a half dozen be interviewed.
    So, you got 90% from a pool of only 6 Black people!?!
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 09-30-12 at 08:39 PM.

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    Re: Do you think most Blacks vote for Obama just because he black?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    First off, what does OP mean?
    Original Post, or Original Poster. It's the post that lays out the purpose of a thread.

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