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    Re: Do you think most Blacks vote for Obama just because he black?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Geez, not this non-sense again. This convuluted argument has already been clarified and the falsehood debunked. Yes, statistics show that the percentage of Blacks on entitlement programs (such as welfare) is higher compared to other demographics on a national level, but the raw numbers tell a completely different story. People should expect such numbers to be high when unemployment is also high within such demographics. It has little to do with Blacks having an entitlement mentality. In most cases, it's a matter of survival. I see this stuff everyday - people applying for Medicaid, welfare and unemployment benefits not because the truly want to, but because they have to in order to keep from either falling into poverty OR a means to survive. Doesn't mean there aren't some lazy folks among them, but most would much rather be able to fend for themselves and not rely on the government for food, housing or their health care as some would have folks believe.

    what percentage of blacks are net tax payers vs those who are net tax consumers. I never said those suckling on the public teat wanted to do that in all cases or even a majority. But suckle they do and the last thing they care about is those of us who fund the public teat getting tax cuts or the government spending less on filling the teat they suckle from

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    Re: Do you think most Blacks vote for Obama just because he black?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    all good points and also something most people over look is that "stance" on an issue isnt really important. What a person PLANS to do or laws they PLAN to write matter more.

    for instance if a candidate was pro-life or anti-equal rights that would bother me IF they had no plans to do anything about thier personal feelings and understood the laws and rights of america doesnt have to reflect their own.

    THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT in a candidate.

    on the other hand any candidate that campaigned on the plan to stop equal gay rights or abortion would never get my vote. Not because those are the most important issues but because in my opinion they dont understand america well at all.

    another example of this is people bash Obama for his gun views but yet theres orgs out there that rate him very gun friendly for what he as actually done or not done.

    he can say he doesnt like guns all he wants, doesnt bother me but if he would actually do something about then it does.

    SO words and stance alone doesnt mean as much as plans and record
    And so far, Pres. Obama has been very pro-life, very pro-gun rights, very pro-equal rights, very pro-religious tolerance, very pro-tax reform (wealth redistribution) in an effort to reduce the deficit and bring about more opportunities for those within the middle-class to become entreprenuers and start small businesses to spur job growth and become prosperous, pro-education reform w/emphasis on student performance rather than teachers teaching to inflated test scores, very pro-health and health care access in order to ensure a future where this nation's citizens are healthier (which speaks to a growing health care AND national security problem where an all-volunteer military force is concerned) and so much more.

    If people really understood the issues, they'd be less inclinded to promote fearmoggering along political and/or racial lines and more willing to support the best candidate to lead this country forward - back to real economic prosperity.
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    Re: Do you think most Blacks vote for Obama just because he black?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    And so far, Pres. Obama has been very pro-life, very pro-gun rights, very pro-equal rights, very pro-religious tolerance, very pro-tax reform (wealth redistribution) in an effort to reduce the deficit and bring about more opportunities for those within the middle-class to become entreprenuers and start small businesses to spur job growth and become prosperous, pro-education reform w/emphasis on student performance rather than teachers teaching to inflated test scores, very pro-health and health care access in order to ensure a future where this nation's citizens are healthier (which speaks to a growing health care AND national security problem where an all-volunteer military force is concerned) and so much more.

    If people really understood the issues, they'd be less inclinded to promote fearmoggering along political and/or racial lines and more willing to support the best candidate to lead this country forward - back to real economic prosperity.

    sadly this is our current biggest problem in government right now with politicians and with citizens its absolutely pathetic
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    Re: Do you think most Blacks vote for Obama just because he black?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    And so far, Pres. Obama has been very pro-life, very pro-gun rights, very pro-equal rights, very pro-religious tolerance, very pro-tax reform (wealth redistribution) in an effort to reduce the deficit and bring about more opportunities for those within the middle-class to become entreprenuers and start small businesses to spur job growth and become prosperous, pro-education reform the ephasis is on student performance rather teachers teaching to inflated test scores, pro-health and health care access in order to ensure a future where this nation's citizens are healthier (which speaks to a growing health care AND national security problem where an all-volunteer military force is concerned) and so much more. If people really understood the issues, they'd be less inclinded to promote fearmoggering along political and/or racial lines and more willing to support the best candidate to lead this country forward - back to real economic prosperity.
    I agree with you there, but I can't help but disagree about the "best candidate part. To me, the most efficient leader would be either Jill Stein and Stewart Alexander.

    Obama's good middle ground, though.

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    Re: Do you think most Blacks vote for Obama just because he black?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what percentage of blacks are net tax payers vs those who are net tax consumers.
    Do you even know? Somehow, I doubt you do. But if you have the latest figures, I'd really like to see them.

    I never said those suckling on the public teat wanted to do that in all cases or even a majority. But suckle they do and the last thing they care about is those of us who fund the public teat getting tax cuts or the government spending less on filling the teat they suckle from
    Non-sense! White Americans use welfare, Medicaid, unemployment benefits and HUD (public housing) just as Blacks and Hispanics do. So, let's stop the race-baiting, as well as promoting the false stereotype that suggests that Blacks are the leading cause of a depressed national economy. For to suggest such would be to ignore how our nation's economy got to this point in the first place. Got news for you...it had nothing to do with over use of entitlement programs by Black people. That in itself is a stupid notion and doesn't hold water.

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    Re: Do you think most Blacks vote for Obama just because he black?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Non-sense! White Americans use welfare, Medicaid, unemployment benefits and HUD (public housing) just as Blacks and Hispanics do. So, let's stop the race-baiting, as well as promoting the false stereo type that suggest that Blacks are the leading cause of a depressed national economy. For to suggest such would be to ignore how our nation's economy got to this point in the first place. Got news for you...it had nothing to do with over use of entitlement programs by Black people. That in itself is a stupid notion and doesn't hold water.
    percentages are what matters. look it up

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    Re: Do you think most Blacks vote for Obama just because he black?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    sadly this is our current biggest problem in government right now with politicians and with citizens its absolutely pathetic
    It's pretty depressing when Americans express such partisanship without even bothering to learn how their country works.

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    Re: Do you think most Blacks vote for Obama just because he black?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    percentages are what matters. look it up
    No. Raw numbers do. Percetages can be very misleading. For example, if I said 80% of White people surveyed own stock, most people would assume those surveyed make up a large segment of the White population. But what if those surveyed were only White people with a net worth greater than $1 million dollars and the total number of people surveyed measured a mere 200 people? Don't you think that would make a huge difference in the percentile projections as opposed to say 3 million people surveyed?

    Think it through...

    Show me the raw numbers that clearly illustrates that there are more Blacks on entitlement programs than Whites and I'd agree with you that members of my racial demographic are the primary drain on the nation economy. Until then, STOP RACE BAITING! The country really should be beyond this by now.
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    Re: Do you think most Blacks vote for Obama just because he black?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    No. Raw numbers do. Percetages can be very misleading. For example, if I said 80% of White people surveyed own stock, most people would assume those surveyed make up a large segment of the White population. But what if those surveyed were only White people with a net worth greater than $1 million dollars and the total number of people surveyed measured a mere 200 people? Don't you think that would make a huge difference in the percentile projections as opposed to say 3 million people surveyed?

    Think it through...
    You will never win any points with me with comments such as "think it through" when what you really are saying is that you don't agree with what I said so you have to pretend my comments are based on ignorance They are not. how many blacks are net tax payers vs net tax consumers?

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    Re: Do you think most Blacks vote for Obama just because he black?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    And so far, Pres. Obama has been very pro-life, very pro-gun rights, very pro-equal rights, very pro-religious tolerance, very pro-tax reform (wealth redistribution) in an effort to reduce the deficit and bring about more opportunities for those within the middle-class to become entreprenuers [sic] and start small businesses to spur job growth and become prosperous, pro-education reform w/emphasis on student performance rather than teachers teaching to inflated test scores, very pro-health and health care access in order to ensure a future where this nation's citizens are healthier (which speaks to a growing health care AND national security problem where an all-volunteer military force is concerned) and so much more.
    In many of these cases, you are simply wrong.

    I assume, by “pro-life” you mean opposed to murdering unborn children? So far as I know, everything he has said on the subject is in favor of allowing innocent unborn children to be killed.

    “Pro-gun rights”, again, everything he has ever said on the subject indicates him to be opposed to the Second Amendment and the rights affirmed therein.

    That, as President, he has not had nor taken any opportunity to put forth policies on these matters is no reason to attribute to him positions that are opposite to those that he's clearly expressed.

    “Very pro-tax reform (wealth redistribution) in an effort to reduce the deficit and bring about more opportunities for those within the middle-class to become entreprenuers [sic] and start small businesses to spur job growth and become prosperous…” — here, he has successfully pursued policies which have been the exact opposite of what you attribute to him. About the only thing I can give you here is your parenthetical remark about “(wealth redistribution)”, but I must point out that such “wealth redistribution” is usually understood to be about taking wealth from those who are deemed to have too much of it, and giving it to those who are deemed not to have enough; while President Obama's actual wealth-redistribution policies have consisted of taking wealth from all classes of taxpayers, and giving it to a few huge, badly-run corporations in the form of “bailouts”, which is rather contrary to the generally-understood point of “wealth redistribution”.

    “…Very pro-health and health care access in order to ensure a future where this nation's citizens are healthier…” — this has been his signature cause, and to that end, he promoted and signed into law a horrendous mess which has ****ed up the entire health care business, in a manner that, for the vast majority of Americans, is making health care more expensive and unattainable than ever before.
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