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Thread: Does a government have the right to nationalize foreign assets?

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    Re: Does a government have the right to nationalize foreign assets?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    So "might makes right," like another poster said?
    Who said anything about 'right'? 'Right' and 'wrong' are luxuries of hindsight, decisions made after the fact by whomever survives.

    And, of course, the best way to survive is to win.

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    Re: Does a government have the right to nationalize foreign assets?

    They shouldn't be allowed to take your farm, especially for the reason listed.
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    Re: Does a government have the right to nationalize foreign assets?

    What if the local people are dirt poor to the point of starvation? Does that change anything?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    They shouldn't be allowed to take your farm, especially for the reason listed.

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    Re: Does a government have the right to nationalize foreign assets?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Who said anything about 'right'? 'Right' and 'wrong' are luxuries of hindsight, decisions made after the fact by whomever survives.

    And, of course, the best way to survive is to win.
    Years ago, there was a socialist takeover in Guatemala. At that time, Chiquita bananas (a US corporation) owned a large chunk of that country's banana farms. The socialists nationalized the farms and wanted to give them to the Guatemalans. In response, the CIA backed the resistance movement to the socialists, and successfully got them removed from power.

    To this day, we are criticized in Latin America for intervening on behalf of Chiquita.

    We have also been on the other side of the argument.

    In the 1950's, British and French stockholders owned most of the Suez canal. A socialist leader came to power in Egypt, and nationalized it. Israel, Britain, and France declared war on Egypt. The USA applied heavy pressure on the British, French, and Israelies, on behalf of the Egyptians, and ultimately were successful in kicking the three out of Egypt. (Funny how nobody in the middle east remembers that.)

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    Re: Does a government have the right to nationalize foreign assets?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    To this day, we are criticized in Latin America for intervening on behalf of Chiquita.
    They have every right to criticize us. After all, they survived. All of their criticism combined wouldn't stop us from doing it again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    In the 1950's, British and French stockholders owned most of the Suez canal. A socialist leader came to power in Egypt, and nationalized it. Israel, Britain, and France declared war on Egypt. The USA applied heavy pressure on the British, French, and Israelies, on behalf of the Egyptians, and ultimately were successful in kicking the three out of Egypt. (Funny how nobody in the middle east remembers that.)
    You expect gratitude? We had our reasons for doing it, and we profited greatly from it. Just like we're profiting from the policies they're complaining about today.

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    Re: Does a government have the right to nationalize foreign assets?

    Governments don't really have "rights," they have powers. And they have the power to do whatever their legal system allows them to do. Whenever a person does business in another country, they run the risk that their will be political, legal, or economic changes that disrupt their business. That is baked into the cost of doing business.
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    Re: Does a government have the right to nationalize foreign assets?

    Actually, it's your call whether we do it again. You're a voter. You get to decide if you want a government that intervenes on behalf of companies overseas and fights for our interests, or one that respects another nations borders and allows them to self-govern at any cost.

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    They have every right to criticize us. After all, they survived. All of their criticism combined wouldn't stop us from doing it again.



    You expect gratitude? We had our reasons for doing it, and we profited greatly from it. Just like we're profiting from the policies they're complaining about today.

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    Re: Does a government have the right to nationalize foreign assets?

    It depends.


    If I buy land on some island nation, it's not acceptable for some two-bit communist dictator to take that land from me.


    Now if some scummy foreigner buys land in America and there's a valid reason to take the land away from that foreigner, then I don't see a problem with it.

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    Re: Does a government have the right to nationalize foreign assets?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Actually, it's your call whether we do it again. You're a voter. You get to decide if you want a government that intervenes on behalf of companies overseas and fights for our interests, or one that respects another nations borders and allows them to self-govern at any cost.
    Not really. The government does what it wants to do, and if it thinks the people won't support them, they just lie about it.

    In any case, I would choose a government that supports our economic interests over one that sacrifices them for the benefit of aliens.

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    Re: Does a government have the right to nationalize foreign assets?

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    If I buy land on some island nation, it's not acceptable for some two-bit communist dictator to take that land from me.

    Now if some scummy foreigner buys land in America and there's a valid reason to take the land away from that foreigner, then I don't see a problem with it.
    That's all well and good as long as you recognize that those scummy foreigners are using the exact same thought processes and are just as morally justified in doing so as you are-- otherwise, this post is nothing more than outright hypocrisy.

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