View Poll Results: Are we better off in the 21c compared to 19c?

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    Re: Are we better off in the 21c compared to 19c?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Did the size of the church/etc stop growing? No. Most religions and denominations, even the smaller ones, consider themselves more widespread and effective than ever. Only religions that do not seek universality might see their local or personal situations as "worse".
    Materials, size, and money should mean nothing, and instead the religion itself should be upheld the most by the believers. Many have gotten lost in their pride/focus over number of churches or vastness of wealth... while forgetting the essence of their religion. I'll agree with you that those religions who are individually different, like Pentecostalism, may think the world is worse off from a moral/religious perspective.

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    Re: Are we better off in the 21c compared to 19c?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Materials, size, and money should mean nothing, and instead the religion itself should be upheld the most by the believers. Many have gotten lost in their pride/focus over number of churches or vastness of wealth... while forgetting the essence of their religion. I'll agree with you that those religions who are individually different, like Pentecostalism, may think the world is worse off from a moral/religious perspective.
    Pretty much all Christian denominations seek universality. And they are all pleased that their denomination has spread throughout the world in the modern era. As far as the essence of their religion, not so much my business, but I know they are happy to have expanded and preached the Word throughout the world and opened churches in many countries.

    Religious freedom has expanded. In many places, people are now free to worship as they see fit. Anyone whose religion was oppressed must think today is better.

    There are many reasons for a denomination or church to believe that today is better than yesterday. From more people saved to religious freedom and other issues. The only way that a religion or denomination is "worse off today" is by evaluation of human morality by narrow-minded (and perfectionist) pessimism. The "people are crappier today" holds as much water in religion as any other group, that being - none. People have always been plenty crappy, from a religious or other viewpoint, and today is not so different.

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    Re: Are we better off in the 21c compared to 19c?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Questions like this always seem like trick questions. We're definitely better off in this century than people were in the past.
    Only in materialism and medicine. But that century's active and proud attitude created all our present benefits.
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
    We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
    Hey, richboys! Imagine the boot of democracy stomping on your faces, forever.

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    Re: Are we better off in the 21c compared to 19c?

    I was better off when I was just a gleam in my father's eye. So, the answer for me is no.

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    Re: Are we better off in the 21c compared to 19c?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Are we better off in the 21-th century compared to 19-th century, what do you think?
    People who think of asking questions like these should first ask themselves what was the 19th century like before asking that kind of question.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Are we better off in the 21c compared to 19c?

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    While I can't speak for anyone else on this forum ,I know that in the 19th C I would most likely have been a slave for the almost the first 2/3rds of that century and probably a poor sharecropper like my great great grandfather in the latter third of that century instead of the successful restaurntuer that I am today.And I'm willing to hazard a guess that not only would my wife not be a surgeon who is allowed to vote,but we probably wouldn't have been allowed to marry each other back then because I'm a dark skinned creole and she's a cajun.
    So at least for me and my wife we are definately better off in this century than in prior ones.
    You can't be a successful restaurntuer if you can't even spell it correctly.

    I used to be a successful karpentur.
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    The systems that ensure freedom and liberty are breaking down and fundamentalism is growing. Nobody is righteous anymore.


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    Re: Are we better off in the 21c compared to 19c?

    OK, so let me clarify with a clip of Robert Zemeckis' 1997 film "Contact" which many of you probably remember.


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    Re: Are we better off in the 21c compared to 19c?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    People who think of asking questions like these should first ask themselves what was the 19th century like before asking that kind of question.
    I think we can unilaterally agree that the 19th century was pretty ****ty for almost everyone in it.
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    Re: Are we better off in the 21c compared to 19c?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I think we can unilaterally agree that the 19th century was pretty ****ty for almost everyone in it.
    The 19th century had much better taste in music.

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    Re: Are we better off in the 21c compared to 19c?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    You can't be a successful restaurntuer if you can't even spell it correctly.

    I used to be a successful karpentur.
    What are you,a spelling nazi?So I mispelled a word,get over it.What does spelling have to do with being able to cook and run a restuarant?

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