View Poll Results: Are we better off in the 21c compared to 19c?

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    Re: Are we better off in the 21c compared to 19c?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Not necessarily. Religious people might think otherwise, for example they may not like GMO, porn, gay marriage, fashion, etc. A libertarian might argue in terms of liberty and so on.
    But considering everything, they'd have to admit we're better off in terms of technology, etc.

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    Re: Are we better off in the 21c compared to 19c?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    But considering everything, they'd have to admit we're better off in terms of technology, etc.
    Well yeah, I guess they will have to. But how would you persuade them we are better off like people?

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    Re: Are we better off in the 21c compared to 19c?

    The average person has significantly more opportunity to live a happy and secure life than they did two centuries ago. Whether or not they take full advantage of that is entirely up to them. But I do not believe we can measure 'better' in more accurate terms than opportunity.

    That said, our search for purpose has certainly shifted. Where previously more effort was needed to satisfy basic life needs and today, for example world-wide we grow enough food to feed every person on earth 2700 calories a day. Basic needs are much more plentifully supplied and in this way, life quality in general is better. However, with the extra time, people may feel lost as to what they can do with their life - what purpose do they have? Philosophically, our life has become more difficult in trying to fill these answers in a meaningful way. A majority of the population feels like the "middle children of history" ~Tyler Durden, as we tie up loose ends of energy consumption, feeding the poor, etc. But I wouldn't measure 'better' by these philosophical terms. These questions existed just the same previously, so we're not any worse off simply because we have more time to focus on these questions.

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    Re: Are we better off in the 21c compared to 19c?

    What happened to the 20th century? Two centuries ago we were in the middle of the war of 1812.
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    Re: Are we better off in the 21c compared to 19c?

    No offense but this kind of a silly post. In the 19th century (1801-18999) we have simple diseasess with no cure. High infant mortality, earlier deaths, no working standards or safeguards, child labor, massive numbers of sweat shops, rampant racism (beyond that which we see today) in all sectors of society. Social casting, etc etc etc.
    "Those who do not learn from history and condemned to relive it".

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    Re: Are we better off in the 21c compared to 19c?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Well yeah, I guess they will have to. But how would you persuade them we are better off like people?
    In a religious sense they'd likely disagree that, considering every single thing, we're "better off." I think you ought to modify your post a bit to differentiate between "better off spiritually, morally, technologically, and financially." That breaks it down a bit so that people can more easily answer your question.

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    Re: Are we better off in the 21c compared to 19c?

    Widespread indoor plumbing.

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    Re: Are we better off in the 21c compared to 19c?

    While I can't speak for anyone else on this forum ,I know that in the 19th C I would most likely have been a slave for the almost the first 2/3rds of that century and probably a poor sharecropper like my great great grandfather in the latter third of that century instead of the successful restaurntuer that I am today.And I'm willing to hazard a guess that not only would my wife not be a surgeon who is allowed to vote,but we probably wouldn't have been allowed to marry each other back then because I'm a dark skinned creole and she's a cajun.
    So at least for me and my wife we are definately better off in this century than in prior ones.

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    Re: Are we better off in the 21c compared to 19c?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    In a religious sense they'd likely disagree that, considering every single thing, we're "better off."
    Did the size of the church/etc stop growing? No. Most religions and denominations, even the smaller ones, consider themselves more widespread and effective than ever. Only religions that do not seek universality might see their local or personal situations as "worse".

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    Re: Are we better off in the 21c compared to 19c?

    Yes. Much better in all things... except music, taste in clothes (meh... I guess it has its good and bad) and proper manners and civility.

    Other than those things, yes we are much, much better off in most of the other important aspects of life.

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