View Poll Results: Are we better off in the 21c compared to 19c?

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    Re: Are we better off in the 21c compared to 19c?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    OK, I see now, you're right.
    But may be the Amish just don't want to part in the industrial - environmental degradation process. I respect their choice.
    Why would they build 10 barns if they only needed one?

    Society seems to mass produce everything.

    The Amish have a small community so they can do things "the hard way", which is a subjective term.

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    Re: Are we better off in the 21c compared to 19c?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Yup, dramatically.

    We still war, but nowhere near as many people die. Seriously, the current wars are nothing compared to wars of the past in terms of body count.

    We still have murders and assaults, but there's decent chance you'll get through life without ever experiencing it. 200 years ago, that was pure fantasy.

    Crime sentences use to include things like being publicly beaten and tortured. Hell, if you were a woman or a black person, beatings were just part of your daily life.

    We have a lot more media coverage of violence than we used to, but don't let that delude you into ignoring history.
    It seems like more for 1. there are a lot more people in the world, and 2. a lot more of the actual crime is reported for us to see.

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    Re: Are we better off in the 21c compared to 19c?

    Remember this, ladies & gentlemen?


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    Re: Are we better off in the 21c compared to 19c?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Are we better off in the 21-th century compared to 19-th century, what do you think?
    What happened to the 20th century?

    The 20th century saw the emergence of 3 extreme forms of fascism

    1. Bolshevism
    2. Nazism
    3. Corporatism

    SO if you are not content with the level of fascist slavery imposed upon the peoples of the world in the 21st century, then I suggest you look at what happened in the 20th century rather than worrying about the 19th century

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    Re: Are we better off in the 21c compared to 19c?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Are you saying that every black person that was living in the US in the 19th century was a slave?
    Of course not.But I know my family history and my ancestors were slaves and poor sharecroppers during that time period hence the reason I wrote "I would most likely have been..."

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    Re: Are we better off in the 21c compared to 19c?

    If I wanted to life a 19c lifestyle with no electricity, no real medicine, no vehicle, etc. I could probably do so extremely cheaply.

    Heck, not having a cell phone, water bill (you have a pump well or a traditional well now), electricity bill, internet bill, car payment, car insurance, an inexpensive simple home with maybe one or two rooms that is drafty as all get out (and is basically a shack by today's standards), etc. You are going to take a serious reduction in your monthly expenses, that is probably 1-2k (depending on specifics) right there that you don't need.

    If you go as far as grow your own food, do canning for the winter, dig a stores cellar, etc, you spend even less money.

    If you don't go with medical insurance, any type of perscription medicine or even acetominophen, it costs even less! (you could probably take something like tylonel though since they did have these kinds of simple medicines back then, so its a good analogue). I hope you never need to use antibiotics or a simple disinfectant.

    In my mind, all of those wonderful things, make my life better and more pleasurable, but we can certainly list those things we would have to do without and see if we really want to live that lifestyle. It is certainly doable even in modern times.

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    Re: Are we better off in the 21c compared to 19c?

    With our Neville Chamberlain president we are headed towards a nuclear WWIII.

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    Re: Are we better off in the 21c compared to 19c?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    With our Neville Chamberlain president we are headed towards a nuclear WWIII.
    If Obama is this century's Chamberlain,then which nation's leader is our century's equivalent to Adolph Hitler? I don't see Putin or Ma Ying-jeou as being particularly overly imperialistic and expansionistic.

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    Re: Are we better off in the 21c compared to 19c?

    Of course we're better off now. Life expectancies are waaaaay longer. All kinds or creature comforts from central heating and air conditioning to refrigeration and electricity. And lets not forget indoor plumbing, although unfortunately big government has popped up its ugly head and individually mandated it for buildings where people work and live. If you don't have running water and the toilet won't flush, the police powers of the state will encroach upon freedom and force you to fix it/get service reconnected or they condemn the building and ban people from entering PRIVATELY owned property. Transportation in the 21st century would make the animal back crown of the 19th century stand in awe. And lets not forget social advances like no more slavery and segregation.
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    Re: Are we better off in the 21c compared to 19c?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Ahhh. Those were the days.
    Being a genealogist I have come to the same conclusion that Patton did. "God how I hate the 20th/21st century." What is amazing to me that with all the hardship of the post 30 years war era, many of my ancestors actually lived well into their late 60's which was well beyond the mean. They were mostly merchants and artesians and some Burger farmers.

    I believe I understood you are Swedish? If so I think Gustav Adolphus (King) was probably the greatest your country ever had. He sure saved our bacon.
    "Those who do not learn from history and condemned to relive it".

    "There are those who will debate the necessity of wilderness, I will not, either you know it in your bones or you are very very old". Aldo Leopold - Sand County Almanac

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