View Poll Results: Where do you draw the line? Who would you help? You can choose more than one

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  • Physically or Mentally Handicapped

    53 85.48%
  • Cant seem to keep a job. Too tired to get up

    6 9.68%
  • Developmentally Handicapped

    48 77.42%
  • Poor who truely need help

    43 69.35%
  • All the poor no matter what the circumstance

    19 30.65%
  • Too obese or depressed to work

    7 11.29%
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Thread: Helping the Needy and the Poor

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Fueling someone's addiction is not compassion. What is compassionate is donating to places that feed, house,clothe and aid the homeless.
    I never heard that at the republican convention or from rush limbaugh.

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
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    The Preamble establishes the why, not the how.

    With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators. - James Madison

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    How come there is an not an option for none?
    "The assumption that animals are without rights and the illusion that our treatment of them has no moral significance is a positively outrageous example of Western crudity and barbarity. Universal compassion is the only guarantee of morality." - Schopenhauer

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by GmH View Post
    A friend of mine has an older son 40 something to be exact. He is on SSI. He is too drepressed to deal with a job or to deal with life in general. He is not too depressed to buy a car. He is not too depressed to buy a boat. He is not too depressed too move from Idaho to South Carolina....all by his little 0l' self. He is not too depressed to go fishing all day and water sking all summer. His 73 old mother works to help support him.... This are the ones that drive Republicans crazy.

    I will gladly, gladly, gladly give you a helping hand when you are truely needy, help you get on your feet, make sure you are clothed and do not go hungry. I draw the line at helping you when you sit on your butt all day and fish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    WE DO NOT want the needy thrown off welfare, we want the bums like the one above thrown off welfare
    Short post, got to go, but: I know someone on SSI. He has a cyst on his brain since birth. I have taken him to Social Security administration several times. I also know someone that has a Ďpersonality defectí as far as Iím concerned, he gets help too. Help doesnít help him, it mostly abuses the helper; and I think that genetically this is the way he is. So one I think needs and deserves help and the other not so much. One because the help helps him, the other because you canít really help him.
    If you havenít you should go to, visit, your Department of Economic Security to see who is there. One thing that is disturbing at first is to see people, mostly blacks, wearing new clothes with the tags still on them (preserved) because itís the style It is clear form a Ďnormalí persons POV stupid behavior, but itís culturally required. Stupid culture too.
    A real problem is how do you set standards that work and establish a process to apply the standards accurately. Iím been involved in correcting documentation on one that is deserving that Social Security had no way of fixing. It took several visits and visits to his doctor etc. So the deserving person canít get help w/o an advocate; but some non-deserving people can. How much money do you want to spend to get it done correctly a higher percentage of the time?

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    A bad day fishing is better than a good day of work.

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    A bad day fishing is better than a good day of work.
    Had a wonderful afternoon fishing yesterday. the trees are turning, a beautigul pumkinseed and a nice large mouth.

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    So who made the decision that it was our responsibility to help the poor?
    Civilized society as a whole.


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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Civilized society as a whole.
    The problem is, it doesn't stay civilized once people have decided that they have a right to the property of others, and once that property becomes in short supply, as always happens as a matter of increased demand by those who desire to take advantage of the good will of others, unrest starts to rear its ugly head. It's what we are currently seeing in some of the European countries, and it is what we will eventually see here. Personal charity is fine and good. Forced charity leads to chaos, because it is coerced theft.
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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    The problem is, it doesn't stay civilized once people have decided that they have a right to the property of others, and once that property becomes in short supply, as always happens as a matter of increased demand by those who desire to take advantage of the good will of others, unrest starts to rear its ugly head. It's what we are currently seeing in some of the European countries, and it is what we will eventually see here. Personal charity is fine and good. Forced charity leads to chaos, because it is coerced theft.
    Uhhh how is this at all equate to people paying taxes that help the poor? No one is advocating that people take your car, or people take your home etc and give it to someone who is impoverished...


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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Uhhh how is this at all equate to people paying taxes that help the poor? No one is advocating that people take your car, or people take your home etc and give it to someone who is impoverished...
    It equates, because as society changes, and more individuals become the recipient of taxpayer funds, and increased demand is put on the taxpayer, who also has finite resources at his disposal, resources become strained with a decreasing supply.
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