View Poll Results: Where do you draw the line? Who would you help? You can choose more than one

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  • Physically or Mentally Handicapped

    53 85.48%
  • Cant seem to keep a job. Too tired to get up

    6 9.68%
  • Developmentally Handicapped

    48 77.42%
  • Poor who truely need help

    43 69.35%
  • All the poor no matter what the circumstance

    19 30.65%
  • Too obese or depressed to work

    7 11.29%
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Thread: Helping the Needy and the Poor

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So you enjoy buying cigarettes,booze and other drugs for panhandlers and thus encourage those people to harass others for money. Good for you.
    That is such a mean spirited thing to say. " "There, but for the grace of God, go I"

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    I chose All poor. But the modifier is that I help as I believe the situation warrants. Some kinds of help are no help at all. I don't just pass dollars to someone who obviously is an alcoholic looking for their next drink.

    However, my dollars and time are limited, so I pick and choose where to place them to do the most good.

    Government, it will do whatever it does to satisfy a entire set of motives outside of "helping". For everything government gives, it takes. Dealing with the poor is one of those bottom up things, the top can help by staying out of the way. Starts and mostly works at the community level.

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    That is such a mean spirited thing to say. " "There, but for the grace of God, go I"
    When you give money to bums that is what you paying for. There are soup kitchen,homeless shelters and many groups who aid the homeless and other less unfortunate.If you truly want to help the homeless then donate to one of those groups.If someone says they are hungry then give them a sandwich,if someone says they need diapers to them take them to buy diapers.Just don't blindly hand money to panhandlers.
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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    when you give money to bums that is what you paying for. There are soup kitchen,homeless shelters and many groups who aid the homeless and other less unfortunate.if you truly want to help the homeless then donate to one of those groups.if someone says they are hungry then give them a sandwich,if someone says they need diapers to them take them to buy diapers.just don't blindly hand money to panhandlers.
    ok........

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    That is such a mean spirited thing to say. " "There, but for the grace of God, go I"
    Good point. What ever happened to the 'compassionate' that was suppose to be paired with 'conservative'? It seems that is now a foreign concept which is totally disdained by the right.
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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I know a similar story/ Woman works her adult life but she just cannot go on at 60 because of horrible back problems/arthritis. She applies for disability to get her to retirement and is denied and denied even though she can barely walk. Her grandson wanted to run the streets with his friends so he kept getting in trouble at school, got prescribed meds for ADD, got suspended again and suddenly he had a learning disability and started getting a SSI check and was "released to homeschooling" where he and all his buddies got to run the streets getting a check to do it. It disgusts me and it is perfectly legal.
    All applicants who can fog a mirror are refused SSI on first application, and the next and the next and...........

    I'm sure the idea is cut down on those who game the system and of course many will try. A cottage industry among lawyers has sprouted just because of this. I suggest you research this on the net. It may be that she really doesn't need a lawyer, just perseverance.

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Good point. What ever happened to the 'compassionate' that was suppose to be paired with 'conservative'? It seems that is now a foreign concept which is totally disdained by the right.
    My compassion is not misplaced nor do I let others use my compassion to take advantage of me.
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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    When you give money to bums that is what you paying for. There are soup kitchen,homeless shelters and many groups who aid the homeless and other less unfortunate.If you truly want to help the homeless then donate to one of those groups.If someone says they are hungry then give them a sandwich,if someone says they need diapers to them take them to buy diapers.Just don't blindly hand money to panhandlers.
    You truly are a compassionate conservative. assalamu alaikum (Peace be upon you)

    Something we all need to know is that we all share one thing. Something made us the way we are. It may be one or a combinations of things including to whom we were born, the way our brains are wired, our body chemistry, trauma, experiences with the police, etc. I am not saying we must not be held accountable for our own actions. I am simply asking for understanding. Understanding would be good not only for us but for future generations. Simply ascribing the actions of others to good or evil is not only too simplistic but ignorant but for some it beats critical thinking because it is much easier.
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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Frogfussle View Post
    You truly are a compassionate conservative. assalamu alaikum (Peace be upon you)
    People who reject the idea that "government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality" give an average of four times more than people who accept that proposition.

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Good point. What ever happened to the 'compassionate' that was suppose to be paired with 'conservative'? It seems that is now a foreign concept which is totally disdained by the right.
    yeah, they conviently forget that in their platforms.

    I just hope some day that they might regain their souls which they sold out for
    personal greed.

    They also try to blame the poor for the deficit when everyone knows that a nations can not keep raiding it's treasury and giving it to the rich via tax cuts, not to mention not paying for a war with taxes. How absurd.
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