View Poll Results: Where do you draw the line? Who would you help? You can choose more than one

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  • Physically or Mentally Handicapped

    53 85.48%
  • Cant seem to keep a job. Too tired to get up

    6 9.68%
  • Developmentally Handicapped

    48 77.42%
  • Poor who truely need help

    43 69.35%
  • All the poor no matter what the circumstance

    19 30.65%
  • Too obese or depressed to work

    7 11.29%
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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by GmH View Post
    A friend of mine has an older son 40 something to be exact. He is on SSI. He is too drepressed to deal with a job or to deal with life in general. He is not too depressed to buy a car. He is not too depressed to buy a boat. He is not too depressed too move from Idaho to South Carolina....all by his little 0l' self. He is not too depressed to go fishing all day and water sking all summer. His 73 old mother works to help support him.... This are the ones that drive Republicans crazy.

    I will gladly, gladly, gladly give you a helping hand when you are truely needy, help you get on your feet, make sure you are clothed and do not go hungry. I draw the line at helping you when you sit on your butt all day and fish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    WE DO NOT want the needy thrown off welfare, we want the bums like the one above thrown off welfare
    Bi-polar depression/anxiety attacks/ADHD/back problems. The latest scams to collect SS Disability. When the medical community finally decides that alcoholism is a disease, we're screwed.

    I don't mind a hand up -- in fact, I think we should probably do even more for people who are genuinely disabled. But a hand out? God, I wish we didn't do that as often as I think we do.
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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by GmH View Post
    A friend of mine has an older son 40 something to be exact. He is on SSI. He is too drepressed to deal with a job or to deal with life in general. He is not too depressed to buy a car. He is not too depressed to buy a boat. He is not too depressed too move from Idaho to South Carolina....all by his little 0l' self. He is not too depressed to go fishing all day and water sking all summer. His 73 old mother works to help support him.... This are the ones that drive Republicans crazy.

    I will gladly, gladly, gladly give you a helping hand when you are truely needy, help you get on your feet, make sure you are clothed and do not go hungry. I draw the line at helping you when you sit on your butt all day and fish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    WE DO NOT want the needy thrown off welfare, we want the bums like the one above thrown off welfare
    Then get your corp s to hire him........but one look and they will not. So he will remain on SSI.

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    I have a new difinition of "disability".

    If you send out resumes to all companies in 40 miles (or within bus system) and if they refuse to hire you in 90 days. Then you are disabled untill they do hire you.......

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    I have spent 5 years suing for disability I paid 27 years into............so I know about the disability system.........

    you get nothing......
    Most of the homeless are SSI people, they dont get enough to afford a place to stay.
    it takes min of 2 YEARS to collect disabiltiy......
    Last edited by 274ina; 09-28-12 at 01:40 AM.

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    I understand your sentiments. My wife before we we got married was on WIC. Yesterday I swallowed my pride and as business has slowed down as a family we are back on WIC. Being on wic saves us roughly $50-70 a month and is heavily restrictive which is fine by me as its for things we would buy anyways. I think if other social programs were made to be more temporary as well it would encourage more to do more for themselves. In my particular case, I pay a good amount of state taxes, some federal, and of course Ssi and Medicare. I'd rather a contributor benefit rather than a leech wouldn't you?
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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    My big gripe is that SSI "tells" people to go to work, but punishes them for doing so by disproportionately reducing benefits for hours worked..inducing many of the disabled to forego the desired job (and increased independence) and independent housing so they can actually afford to pay for services they need (thus leaving them unemployed and more dependent upon family/guardians).
    This isn't exactly true, Fiddy. It's WORSE than that. My brother is on SSI. He can keep his benefits if he works a certain amount. If he works ONE DOLLAR over that amount, he receives NOTHING. The SSI plus his part time job allow him to live independently, pay rent, buy food, etc... Without the SSI, he would be unable to do any of those things, would need to go into government subsidized housing and go on welfare. A pro-rated system would be far better for him. It would encourage him to work more, become more independent, etc... But the way the system is set up, this cannot happen.

    The system needs an overhaul. All or nothing doesn't work. It doesn't encourage anyone to get off assistance.
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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Bi-polar depression/anxiety attacks/ADHD/back problems. The latest scams to collect SS Disability. When the medical community finally decides that alcoholism is a disease, we're screwed.

    I don't mind a hand up -- in fact, I think we should probably do even more for people who are genuinely disabled. But a hand out? God, I wish we didn't do that as often as I think we do.
    Wrong Maggie. The psychological issues that you describe are CERTAINLY disabling and can prevent people from working. I've signed off on half a dozen SSI forms, requesting disability for patients that had one of those psychological illnesses. THEY COULD NOT WORK because of them. It would be unethical for me to sign off on them if I felt they COULD work. Further, my brother is one who receives SSI because of severe anxiety/depression. There is no question that he could not survive without it.
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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    I have a new difinition of "disability".

    If you send out resumes to all companies in 40 miles (or within bus system) and if they refuse to hire you in 90 days. Then you are disabled untill they do hire you.......

    PS

    I have spent 5 years suing for disability I paid 27 years into............so I know about the disability system.........

    you get nothing......
    Most of the homeless are SSI people, they dont get enough to afford a place to stay.
    it takes min of 2 YEARS to collect disabiltiy......
    That's not entirely accurate. Once you apply for SSI, you will receive an answer within 6 months. If accepted, not only will you start receiving benefits immediately, but you will receive back benefits from the day that your SSI was approved. If it was NOT accepted, there are 3 levels of appeal you can go through. THAT'S where your "2 year" comment may have come from, since each appeal takes about 6 months apiece.
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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by GmH
    This are the ones that drive Republicans crazy.
    For every story like that, I could giev you 100 of people who worked their ass off, and got the shaft through no fault of their own and got exploited.

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by GmH View Post
    A friend of mine has an older son 40 something to be exact. He is on SSI. He is too drepressed to deal with a job or to deal with life in general. He is not too depressed to buy a car. He is not too depressed to buy a boat. He is not too depressed too move from Idaho to South Carolina....all by his little 0l' self. He is not too depressed to go fishing all day and water sking all summer. His 73 old mother works to help support him.... This are the ones that drive Republicans crazy.

    I will gladly, gladly, gladly give you a helping hand when you are truely needy, help you get on your feet, make sure you are clothed and do not go hungry. I draw the line at helping you when you sit on your butt all day and fish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    WE DO NOT want the needy thrown off welfare, we want the bums like the one above thrown off welfare
    Good point. I've had several instances where a perfectly able bodied person somehow manages to 'milk' the system.

    Having worked in the non-profit sector for awhile and dealing with people that have DD/ID; I know there are people that NEED that assistance and are truly.. disabled. The person you've described above is one of the poster children for what's wrong with the system.

    But how do we fix it? This is the bigger concern to me.
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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by GmH View Post
    A friend of mine has an older son 40 something to be exact. He is on SSI. He is too drepressed to deal with a job or to deal with life in general. He is not too depressed to buy a car. He is not too depressed to buy a boat. He is not too depressed too move from Idaho to South Carolina....all by his little 0l' self. He is not too depressed to go fishing all day and water sking all summer. His 73 old mother works to help support him.... This are the ones that drive Republicans crazy.

    I will gladly, gladly, gladly give you a helping hand when you are truely needy, help you get on your feet, make sure you are clothed and do not go hungry. I draw the line at helping you when you sit on your butt all day and fish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    WE DO NOT want the needy thrown off welfare, we want the bums like the one above thrown off welfare
    SSI is insurance. He EARNED it.

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