View Poll Results: Where do you draw the line? Who would you help? You can choose more than one

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  • Physically or Mentally Handicapped

    53 85.48%
  • Cant seem to keep a job. Too tired to get up

    6 9.68%
  • Developmentally Handicapped

    48 77.42%
  • Poor who truely need help

    43 69.35%
  • All the poor no matter what the circumstance

    19 30.65%
  • Too obese or depressed to work

    7 11.29%
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Thread: Helping the Needy and the Poor

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    The op is probably referring to disability, and there are many people on it who are able-bodied, and just gaming the system.
    25% or so of the collective bargaining unit members of the United States Postal Service are on limited (job related) or Light (other disability) duty.

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    If we require someone works in order to receive welfare, what is to stop that someone from claiming they are working as a self-employed person? They do it all the time on tax returns to get the earned income tax credit and other refundable tax credits. Or do you only count wages earned as an employee and not self-employed/businesses?

    It can be rather difficult to determine someone in need vs. someone cheating the system. One way you could eliminate the problem is to give whatever benefits to ... everyone. Say you determine that $10,000/year is the minimum to live off. Just give everyone $10,000 a year. No cheating (well, there'd be cheating from people drawing benefits for the deceased and so forth still). You would have to adjust taxes to cover such an expenditure. At some income level the extra taxes to cover the extra money paid out would equal $10,000. Anyone at that level or higher would effectively be paying more than they are getting, anyone below that level would be getting more than they are paying. This would also eliminate the incentive to stay below a given income level in order to receive welfare benefits.

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    25% or so of the collective bargaining unit members of the United States Postal Service are on limited (job related) or Light (other disability) duty.
    I wasn't aware of that, but I remember hearing that in one of the states (can't remember which one), it is estimated that about 25% of the disability recipients are abusing the system, and I know that it's growing by leaps and bounds for the past few years.
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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I wasn't aware of that, but I remember hearing that in one of the states (can't remember which one), it is estimated that about 25% of the disability recipients are abusing the system, and I know that it's growing by leaps and bounds for the past few years.
    trust me, much of those people are abusing the system.

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    trust me, much of those people are abusing the system.
    Yeah, I know they are. I see them regularly as a part of my job, and I have more friends on it than I would care to admit, and most of what I see is BS.
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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    The only way someone should get welfare is if they are physically, or psychologically unable to work. Psychologically as in birth defect, or severe accident that causes irreparable damage.
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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    I don't understand the question... who would I help personally? or who do I think we need to use the government to help?

    Personally, To me, government is not a tool to help people, it is the law of the land and is their to enforce freedoms. Now people like me, charities, business, and private organizations can and should help anybody they feel like.

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Personally, I try to help anyone who asks me no matter their circumstances. I keep dollar bills in my car just to hand them out to panhandlers. My friends think I'm kinda dumb to do that since the money will likely be used for something that's not good. What I choose to do with my money, though, is a very different question from what I believe the government should be doing with other people's money.
    I used to do the same, until I realized that I wasn't helping them by encouraging self-destructive behavior. I'll keep a sharp eye out for the outliers that seem like they uniquely need it, but fit, young to middle age males.... not so much.

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    25% or so of the collective bargaining unit members of the United States Postal Service are on limited (job related) or Light (other disability) duty.
    To be fair, due to hiring preferences a disproportionate of USPS employees are veterans with variant measures of disability.

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I used to do the same, until I realized that I wasn't helping them by encouraging self-destructive behavior. I'll keep a sharp eye out for the outliers that seem like they uniquely need it, but fit, young to middle age males.... not so much.
    I remember one guy I gave a couple dollars to swore up and down that he needed the money for food (or something else legit). I stopped him and told him that once I gave the money to him it was his to spend it however. That's how I look at it. Once I've made the decision to give someone something, what they decide to do with it is on them. Totally get what you're saying though. My friends think I'm being naive - I'm not though.

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