View Poll Results: Where do you draw the line? Who would you help? You can choose more than one

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  • Physically or Mentally Handicapped

    53 85.48%
  • Cant seem to keep a job. Too tired to get up

    6 9.68%
  • Developmentally Handicapped

    48 77.42%
  • Poor who truely need help

    43 69.35%
  • All the poor no matter what the circumstance

    19 30.65%
  • Too obese or depressed to work

    7 11.29%
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Thread: Helping the Needy and the Poor

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Most people just talk the talk on many things in their life be it a desire to help the needy or whatever else they're acting high and mighty on. Most people are frauds in some way or another.
    Sadly, I was the same though. I didn't know my head from my ass (in hindsight). It's like knowing the future and being powerless to stop it. Which is a little frustrating. The old "how do you convince someone with words when it likely requires experience for most people to understand"? I don't know! Being middle aged though, and having given my 20 healthiest, youngest years in serving the marketplace, I dont' care as much as I use to. I don't suffer such fools in my private life, I suppose it's only at tax time that they get me!

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No i do not. Point being?
    You don't pay in much with taxes.
    You don't donate time or money to causes you support.

    You think there is no point to that? That's disturbing.

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    IMO, if more rich people gave more of their money to charities and more of said money to AMERICAN charities, people like President Obama and Elizabeth Warren wouldn't have a leg to stand on with their "spread the wealth" rhetoric. As it is, when people like Mitt Romney are installing car elevators in their summer home and people like Joe Biden give NO MONEY to charity, it allows socialistic idiots to spew forth socialistic garbage. I dont' agree that gov't should take our money but I also don't agree with people hoarding their money and not helping fellow citizens out. To Romney's defense, he is at least very charitable. Biden has given an average of $369 to charity, annually, over the past decade. What a friggin dirtbag man. How can this guy stand up in front of people and say the absolute CRAP that he does when he helps NO ONE!!! I disagree with President Obama's policies, but at least he gives some money to charity.
    Biden gave average of $369 to charity a year - ABC News
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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No i do not. Point being?
    You appear to have time to give since you post here regularly. Unless I am to believe you are supposed to be doing something else and in that case I want to know why you aren't doing it and instead posting here.

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No i do not. Point being?
    No real point.

    You just seem to embody the 20-something year old college communist. That's all.

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    You're a college student right? So should every student in your class be given at least a B no matter what? Even the ones who don't show up to class the entire semester?
    and his grade should be reduced to keep the bell curve even, at that.

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    IMO, if more rich people gave more of their money to charities and more of said money to AMERICAN charities, people like President Obama and Elizabeth Warren wouldn't have a leg to stand on with their "spread the wealth" rhetoric.
    In reality, they don't have a leg to stand on regardless. They advocate that people should be forced to give via taxation, but fail to uphold the rights of people to keep what they have earned by their own labor, so they support legalized theft, as long as that theft is buying the things that they themselves deem worthy.
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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    IMO, if more rich people gave more of their money to charities and more of said money to AMERICAN charities, people like President Obama and Elizabeth Warren wouldn't have a leg to stand on with their "spread the wealth" rhetoric. As it is, when people like Mitt Romney are installing car elevators in their summer home and people like Joe Biden give NO MONEY to charity, it allows socialistic idiots to spew forth socialistic garbage. I dont' agree that gov't should take our money but I also don't agree with people hoarding their money and not helping fellow citizens out. To Romney's defense, he is at least very charitable. Biden has given an average of $369 to charity, annually, over the past decade. What a friggin dirtbag man. How can this guy stand up in front of people and say the absolute CRAP that he does when he helps NO ONE!!! I disagree with President Obama's policies, but at least he gives some money to charity.
    Biden gave average of $369 to charity a year - ABC News
    Yes, I am self quoting. Further on Joe Dirt Biden. The nerve of the guy to stand up in front of people and say crap like "they gonna put you back in chains" and "they don't understand us" AND HE GIVES $369 A YEAR TO CHARITY!!! That isn't even a MONTHLY car payment on a decent car! That's what I spend every 6 months on satellite!! This guy is living in a mansion, taking a salary from taxpayers, making money off of "memoirs" (who knew he could remember anything?), and he can't even donate a measely $100 a month to a charity. Heck, you can give $369 annually if you just throw $10 in a St Jude's can at the counter at WalMart everytime you visit. I'd bet that a lot of us spend that on tips to waiters annually. $369 won't even get you hotel fare for a week at Disney. Alright, I'm done. It's just infuriates me at how hypocritical politicians are when they threaten to take our hard earned money to give to the needy when they don't donate themselves. I guess Joe Dirt Biden figures he already "serves" the public, what more do they want?

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    What would this country look like if government direct aid/checks/etc. to individuals was strictly forbidden, and all forms welfare had to be an investment in the overall community, such as school funding, housing redevelopment, jobs training, hospitals, roads, and public works? Tax dollars are extracted from everyone, so why should they be directed at individuals? It could be directed at the poor and disabled communities, and provide jobs to the unemployed, but could only be a benefactor of everyone rather than individual checks? I'd argue we'd be alot better off by investing in the overall development of everyone, except the moochers like op discusses wouldn't be able to simply game the system for their own selfish benefit.
    Good point. If I understand there history Americans were in fact starving to death and dropping like flies during the Dust Bowl when there was no safety net.

    Interestingly, many of the rich get the hook up all day long but that's never thought of as being on the dole and they of all people don't need it to live. The corn industry gets paid not to grow corn. The oil industry gets subsidies as rich as they are, not to mention the cost of posting military personnel in "strategic" geographic regions to protect our 'vital interests'. Meanwhile we label single moms and and their children as freeloaders but are totally cool with handing millionaires government money, not to mention endless loopholes in the tax code. Interesting way of looking at government handouts.
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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Good point. If I understand there history Americans were in fact starving to death and dropping like flies during the Dust Bowl when there was no safety net.

    Interestingly, many of the rich get the hook up all day long but that's never thought of as being on the dole and they of all people don't need it to live. The corn industry gets paid not to grow corn. The oil industry gets subsidies as rich as they are, not to mention the cost of posting military personnel in "strategic" geographic regions to protect our 'vital interests'. Meanwhile we label single moms and and their children as freeloaders but are totally cool with handing millionaires government money, not to mention endless loopholes in the tax code. Interesting way of looking at government handouts.
    I hate corporations getting subsidies as much as anyone. What the hell makes one corporation think they deserve to get a tax break that isn't available to another?

    Now, going back to the Dust Bowl is quite extreme of you. You do realize that was a time of extreme drought, (partially man-made drought at that) in the middle of extreme hardship. So what did we do? FDR told the farmers to slaughter their pigs and burn their crops so prices would rise.

    But its not like Americans are starving. Actually, with an obesity rate of 30% and climbing, I'd argue quite the contrary. But, the subsidies to big corn and big agriculture, which were started by FDR mind you, do play a role.

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