View Poll Results: Where do you draw the line? Who would you help? You can choose more than one

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  • Physically or Mentally Handicapped

    53 85.48%
  • Cant seem to keep a job. Too tired to get up

    6 9.68%
  • Developmentally Handicapped

    48 77.42%
  • Poor who truely need help

    43 69.35%
  • All the poor no matter what the circumstance

    19 30.65%
  • Too obese or depressed to work

    7 11.29%
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Thread: Helping the Needy and the Poor

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    The problem I have with this discussion is the insinuation that a want of smaller, more local government means you don't care about people, etc. I do care about those in genuine need but I just think our government does a terrible job in providing for those in need or giving those who could life themselves up the tools to do so.

    I also genuinely believe our system enables the poor behavior that keeps people down.
    Last edited by Donahue; 10-01-12 at 05:35 PM.

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Probably not very much since i am a college student.
    You have plenty of time though. Do you donate that?

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Grade=tax dollars? How interesting...
    Not much of a difference. Both ideally are meritocracies. To each according to his/her ability.

    I will say that we are not currently fully developing each individuals ability, and that is reflected in the fact that we are behind the rest of the world when it comes to test scores, STEM graduates, skilled labor, high school drop out rates, etc. But that's not to say that everyone deserves equal results, but merely to say we want to see an improvement in median results. But giving out results is not an improvement.

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Please tell me where i stated "whatever happens you give consent too"? Thanks..
    You didn't, but you implied it by saying that if we elect officials that have certain beliefs then we consent to those beliefs.


    You forgot legal right in there bud.
    I didn't forget anything since its simply a copy and paste job from a online dictonary.
    Last edited by Henrin; 10-01-12 at 05:39 PM.

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    You ignore democratic consent.
    Which is precisely what lizzie wrote. Any use of "theft" is in the general sense, not legal, so stop, it's boring and juvenille, and some of us happen to be adults.

    A majority of some groups desire to take her property to pay for what they want. She neither wants them to take that money, nor wants them to spend the way they spend it. Voting against someone and them winning, is hardly any meaningful definition of consent. Worse, a college student, who hasn't contributed enough to society to earn enough to fund society in any meaningful way, gets to vote to take someone elses money, for things they, in their infinite wisdom college years, "feel" is right? What a joke.

    That's not an appeal to authority mind you. I'm just informing you that my choice carries more weight then yours, about my own property. Sure, it also carries more weight because of my age, experience, how much I've personally paid in taxes and contributed to society, but there really isn't a need to go there, as long as I am protected by government from you wanting to take my property, it would be fine. Of course, you believe government should simply on a majority vote, be able to take property. Makes no sense, but there are many others just like you who love the idea of doing nothing, and then getting a lot in return.

    The real needy are hurt the worst by individuals like you who believe they have a legitimate right to pump money their way, or in ways they want...probably 90% of which is not to the really needy.
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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    You have plenty of time though. Do you donate that?
    Too busy investing in his own education for his own needs, who the hell has time for other people in reality? Much easier to just talk the talk right? Surely he can vote for someone elses "time" to be spent on serving others right? Power to the people! (My power over other people of course)

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    You have plenty of time though. Do you donate that?
    No i do not. Point being?


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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No its simply not theft. Theft is the act of taking something unlawfully. The law states that the legislature has the right to implement taxes..


    Its not theft!



    It is on.



    Live "comfortably"? You mean giving them food stamps and some form of basic medical care? That sounds "real comfortable". Its called living in a civilized society.



    No its not. Its simply not theft because its not unlawful.
    Legalizing theft does not change the nature of what it is.
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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    Too busy investing in his own education for his own needs, who the hell has time for other people in reality? Much easier to just talk the talk right? Surely he can vote for someone elses "time" to be spent on serving others right? Power to the people! (My power over other people of course)
    Most people just talk the talk on many things in their life be it a desire to help the needy or whatever else they're acting high and mighty on. Most people are frauds in some way or another.

    Btw, the definition lizzie was using he even listed but he was unaware of it.
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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    What would this country look like if government direct aid/checks/etc. to individuals was strictly forbidden, and all forms welfare had to be an investment in the overall community, such as school funding, housing redevelopment, jobs training, hospitals, roads, and public works? Tax dollars are extracted from everyone, so why should they be directed at individuals?
    That is the exact point I have been making for years. Government monies should be spent to benefit everyone in society equally. To do otherwise, is to encourage voting based on corrupt personal gains.
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