View Poll Results: Where do you draw the line? Who would you help? You can choose more than one

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  • Physically or Mentally Handicapped

    53 85.48%
  • Cant seem to keep a job. Too tired to get up

    6 9.68%
  • Developmentally Handicapped

    48 77.42%
  • Poor who truely need help

    43 69.35%
  • All the poor no matter what the circumstance

    19 30.65%
  • Too obese or depressed to work

    7 11.29%
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Thread: Helping the Needy and the Poor

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Lets say I believe your story
    Uhhh its not a "story".

    and lets say that if you vote for someone you consent to their platform. What if I don't vote for that person? Do I still consent to have my property stolen?
    Well saying if you vote for a republican or democrat then yes. Basically every single candidate has enough common sense to realize that we need a system of taxation.
    And also its not "stolen" since its legal.


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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yes, its about an amendment that allows the government to reach into your income and claim ownership of it and treat the rest like its a gift to you. In effect they are breaching your right to gain from your labor.
    Exactly. The amendment has no if, no, and buts in it. Actually it is written overysimplified which has given the government a license to tax anything and ayway they want.. Labor should never be taxed, imo.

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Uhhh its not a "story".
    Sure its a story. Its your way of saying that whatever happens I gave consent too. No reason to pretend it has anything behind it.

    Well saying if you vote for a republican or democrat then yes. Basically every single candidate has enough common sense to realize that we need a system of taxation.
    And also its not "stolen" since its legal.
    Stealing - take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, especially secretly or by force

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Temporarily for all who find themselves in an unexpected crisis preferably under a type of safety net insurance program everyone pays into. Include job training, education, entrepreneurial mentoring, etc. if deemed necessary. Extended assistance terms for mothers of pre-school aged children but mom has to get educated or work part-time so when Johnny starts school she can get a job. At the same time go after Dad for child support. Permanent assistance for the physically and mentally impaired.
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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    What would this country look like if government direct aid/checks/etc. to individuals was strictly forbidden, and all forms welfare had to be an investment in the overall community, such as school funding, housing redevelopment, jobs training, hospitals, roads, and public works? Tax dollars are extracted from everyone, so why should they be directed at individuals? It could be directed at the poor and disabled communities, and provide jobs to the unemployed, but could only be a benefactor of everyone rather than individual checks? I'd argue we'd be alot better off by investing in the overall development of everyone, except the moochers like op discusses wouldn't be able to simply game the system for their own selfish benefit.

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    This is going to sound really harsh and cold, but please stay with me before you stop reading and judge my post.


    I'm not in favor of helping any of them through government. Not one cent should go to them through our government. That isn't because I don't sympathize with their situations (minus those ridiculous ones you listed). We simply won't be able to afford it. We are already burdened by endless wars, and a growing welfare state. Our currency is inflating to a point of no return, and we got to make tough choices. I mean tough choices across the board if we're going to save our country from financial ruin. We need to cut spending and cut it drastically...probably need to freeze federal spending for a couple years just to get a handle on our deficit. We have to get to serious on this issue. Cutting on proposed future spending still adds 5 trillion to the deficit because we're still spending.

    That means it will be up to private charities to do the best they can for people struggling. It isn't the most appealing decision for people I know, but we have to make tough choices. We cannot live within our means with this massive federal government spending. We're on the brink of a major point of no return as it pertains to our currency and economy. If you research what is happening then you will see other countries are trying to get out of the dollar for buying and selling. That means our currency is losing the battle for "world reserve" currency and an end is in sight. How we respond now will dictate how we can or cannot deal with the situation down the road. We can't kick the can down the road anymore.
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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Sure its a story. Its your way of saying that whatever happens I gave consent too. No reason to pretend it has anything behind it.
    Please tell me where i stated "whatever happens you give consent too"? Thanks..




    Stealing - take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, especially secretly or by force
    You forgot legal right in there bud.


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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Hahah I wish I could like this thrice. Basically, the proponents want to reduce income inequality with OTHER people's money.

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I think we should support the poor no matter what. (Yes even the "lazy" ones who choose not to get a job)
    You're a college student right? So should every student in your class be given at least a B no matter what? Even the ones who don't show up to class the entire semester?

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    Re: Helping the Needy and the Poor

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    You're a college student right? So should every student in your class be given at least a B no matter what? Even the ones who don't show up to class the entire semester?
    Grade=tax dollars? How interesting...


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