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    The factory as a school room

    The New Classroom Is a Factory

    I see this as a very healthy trend but hope public skills training also continues.

    I see an advantage in close coordination of skills training in school and in the factory.Example, factory might agree to teach what is taught in public school and receive subsidy if student passes certain standards.

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    Re: The factory as a school room

    I don't see the need to give tax breaks or make direct payments to businesses for continued education. Currently Vo-Techs work hand in hand with local businesses to train workers. It is in the businesses best interest to educate it's workers.

    Rather than have businesses try and re-invent the wheel they can support programs in schools or Vo-techs to obtain the desired workers, work with students at risk or lacking in basic skills.

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    Re: The factory as a school room

    This is an example where I would support government "subsidizing" if it is legitimate. While it is in the business' interest, it also in all our interests that heavy industry can compete in the world.

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    Re: The factory as a school room

    First, you have to find a factory in the US.
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    Re: The factory as a school room

    There is a high school, not too far from me (about 45 miles away), which focuses on skills and job-training for students with specific strengths and weaknesses, which (imo) is wonderful. There are just some kids who won't be able to go on to university level education due to various factors, and those who aren't able to do so, should at least have an opportunity for learning something that will enable them to live in the real working world.

    The high school that one of my neices went to, had a program for LVN training, which enabled those students to be ready for licensure when they graduated from high school. She took the course, then after graduation, while working as an LVN, went on to Baylor for a BS in nursing. Another relatively local high school offers a cosmetology course in high school, which enabled the students who complete it, to be ready for their cosmetology license at the time of graduation, so these students are ready for getting decent jobs after they graduate from high school. Unbeknownst to many people, a good haristylist makes really decent money.
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    Re: The factory as a school room

    Apprenticeship is an ancient custom. But the state subsidising it? I don't know.

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    Re: The factory as a school room

    Quote Originally Posted by listener View Post
    The New Classroom Is a Factory

    I see this as a very healthy trend but hope public skills training also continues.

    I see an advantage in close coordination of skills training in school and in the factory.Example, factory might agree to teach what is taught in public school and receive subsidy if student passes certain standards.

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    I'd love to see this type of program embraced by our public school system. I'm not sure it would need government subsidy.

    But, for welding, the example used, I'm thinking the program could only be implemented in right-to-work states. The unions representing electricians, welders, plumbers, heating/air, et al, would, I believe, strenuously oppose any such program.
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    Re: The factory as a school room

    I heard Obama last night on TV saying we need to get back to a realistic vocational training system. Could not agree more. There are alot of kidss out there who may not be able to get school, but may be Einsteins when it comes to vocational training and related job skills. Our system is so screwed up. The powers that be look at almost everything like it linear and then get frustrated when a bend in the road shows up. DUH!
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    Re: The factory as a school room

    Preparation is an integral part of production and deserves to be immediately rewarded, just like any other work-in-progress. Highly paid training should not be limited to blue-collar jobs, however, but should also include professional fields, eliminating academic indentured servitude. Paying trainees for their grades will attract the most talented and get them to study. Retirees can teach the white-collar apprentices, making the instruction up-to-date and specific to the job instead of the elective and core-course wandering drift that is imposed upon students. The failed university is an obsolete aristocratic system designed specifically for those with an independent income.

    Paying for this necessary change from the medieval university system is a different matter. An objection is not a rejection, so it should be made only after the goal, which is to get the most development out of the most valuable human resources, is accepted and the goal of the present system, which amounts to buying jobs through rich parents or self-destructive sacrifice, both paths irrelevant to merit, is abandoned and tossed back into the dust of the crumbling castles of Europe where it belongs.
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    Re: The factory as a school room

    Quote Originally Posted by listener View Post
    The New Classroom Is a Factory

    I see this as a very healthy trend but hope public skills training also continues.

    I see an advantage in close coordination of skills training in school and in the factory.Example, factory might agree to teach what is taught in public school and receive subsidy if student passes certain standards.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/49189757
    Several points:

    1. It sounds good but I suspect it is just another way to funnel more money to business. Even so, if the program is honest I would support it. We never be able to do away with the "good socialism" where expense is socialized and the profits are privatized so why not encourage this example where working schmucks get some advantage from it.

    2. What skills really are necessary? I worked in a process industry where the process was computer controlled. The company put a young girl in the job of running it. She could barely read and write. It just happens that the company had the good sense to know that her attitude made up for all that. She was never seen to stop working in her job as janitor. She did her new job well. As with all jobs the guys in the control station showed her the ropes. For the most part, everyone learns the job on the job. The company neither demand or received a subsidy for this.

    Few jobs required anything but a good attitude. Usually the only other skills required was the ability to read and write.

    One of our supervisors was illiterate. That didn't even slow him down.

    3. Few jobs require math. In this day of pocket calculators even fewer jobs require a real knowledge of math. As a tool and die maker I used math a lot including trig. I learned trig on the job when I was very young. This was in the days before calculators. In those days most die makers carried an example of extracting a square root in their billfolds. We didn't use that particular function very much. Today a one dollar calculator will do it.

    Even fewer jobs require that you know the date of the battle of Hastings.

    4. Today there is a real shortage of tool and die makers despite the fact that manufacturing jobs are being shipped overseas as fast as possible. Capital even gets a small subsidy for doing it. Everyone wants to hire tool and die makers but no one wants to train any. Apprenticeships are almost a thing of the past. If we must pay them to train their die makers so be it. At least some working schmucks get something out of it. Trickle down and all that.

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