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    Re: Thoughts on Marsi of Egypt so far?

    i'm not a fan, but sometimes democracy means people elect somebody you don't like. it's better than a dictatorship.

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    Re: Thoughts on Marsi of Egypt so far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    I'm sorry, what?

    BBC News - Coptic-Muslim clashes erupt in Egypt

    Christians Being Killed By Islamists In Egypt And Nigeria

    Egypt Christians 'Killed' After Election Morsi | Worthy Christian News

    Even with him putting a christian as his advisor, lets face it... he has done little to nothing to stop the spree of attacks on christian communities. The discrepancy between his words and his deeds is very, very high.
    Your initial claim was that Morsi called for the genocide of Christian communities. That is a false statement, and you are a liar for uttering it. If you actually bothered to read the BBC article in question, you would see the police stopped the riot and several officers were injured in the process.

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    Re: Thoughts on Marsi of Egypt so far?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Your initial claim was that Morsi called for the genocide of Christian communities. That is a false statement, and you are a liar for uttering it. If you actually bothered to read the BBC article in question, you would see the police stopped the riot and several officers were injured in the process.
    You don't get it do you.

    I mean, really, you don't. You assume that the police went there to stop the rioters and the murderers because... the president told them to? They went there because they didn't want another riot on their hands. They had one not too long ago that resulted in a regime change. This doesn't mean that there have been actions taken to prevent such things from happening again (jihads against Christians).

    Morsi is not interested in having a secular state. He and his constituency are interested in establishing sharia law. By that law, christians will never have peace because every loony islamist out there can hype some people to go about killing christians so that they can go to heaven. His political platform was based on establishing sharia law.

    He isn't going about the world calling for the murder of christians... but he is steadily and surely creating the proper environment where christians will be persecuted.

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    Re: Thoughts on Marsi of Egypt so far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    You don't get it do you.

    I mean, really, you don't. You assume that the police went there to stop the rioters and the murderers because... the president told them to? They went there because they didn't want another riot on their hands. They had one not too long ago that resulted in a regime change. This doesn't mean that there have been actions taken to prevent such things from happening again (jihads against Christians).

    Morsi is not interested in having a secular state. He and his constituency are interested in establishing sharia law. By that law, christians will never have peace because every loony islamist out there can hype some people to go about killing christians so that they can go to heaven. His political platform was based on establishing sharia law.

    He isn't going about the world calling for the murder of christians... but he is steadily and surely creating the proper environment where christians will be persecuted.
    That is the last thing Morsi wants.. That would mean failure for him and the Muslim Brotherhood.

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    Re: Thoughts on Marsi of Egypt so far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    You don't get it do you.

    I mean, really, you don't. You assume that the police went there to stop the rioters and the murderers because... the president told them to? They went there because they didn't want another riot on their hands. They had one not too long ago that resulted in a regime change. This doesn't mean that there have been actions taken to prevent such things from happening again (jihads against Christians).

    Morsi is not interested in having a secular state. He and his constituency are interested in establishing sharia law. By that law, christians will never have peace because every loony islamist out there can hype some people to go about killing christians so that they can go to heaven. His political platform was based on establishing sharia law.

    He isn't going about the world calling for the murder of christians... but he is steadily and surely creating the proper environment where christians will be persecuted.
    As is usual for the rabid Islam haters, you start with a bald face lie accusing someone of genocide and than back peddle when called on your BS.

    It is entirely true that Morsi has theocratic beliefs and does not like Coptics very much. It is utterly false to claim he is responsible for the riots or that he wants to murder them. I am interested in accurately describing his political positions, you simply want to demonize him to satisfy your personal bigotry.

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    Re: Thoughts on Marsi of Egypt so far?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    As is usual for the rabid Islam haters, you start with a bald face lie accusing someone of genocide and than back peddle when called on your BS.

    It is entirely true that Morsi has theocratic beliefs and does not like Coptics very much. It is utterly false to claim he is responsible for the riots or that he wants to murder them. I am interested in accurately describing his political positions, you simply want to demonize him to satisfy your personal bigotry.
    I did no backpeddling. It is still genocide. I am still accusing him of the same things. I have just provided you the context.

    It is your decision to go on blindlfully supporting him and defending him here.

    I would be terrified, as a christian, if I would live in Egypt. Knowing full well that my president wants to enforce sharia law and that I may end up dead at the hands of some rabid islamists who want to go to paradise.

    As others say... the rise of the muslim brotherhood with this much hailed arab spring is turning into the autumn of christians in the middle east.

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    Re: Thoughts on Marsi of Egypt so far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    I did no backpeddling. It is still genocide. I am still accusing him of the same things. I have just provided you the context.

    It is your decision to go on blindlfully supporting him and defending him here.

    I would be terrified, as a christian, if I would live in Egypt. Knowing full well that my president wants to enforce sharia law and that I may end up dead at the hands of some rabid islamists who want to go to paradise.

    As others say... the rise of the muslim brotherhood with this much hailed arab spring is turning into the autumn of christians in the middle east.
    If Morsi was sending his troops to round up the Christians and execute them by firing squad, that would be genocide. Calling for calm after some rioters are stopped by the police while trying to burn a church is not even close. The Coptics are facing a difficult time in Egypt, but your claims of genocide are utterly without merit.

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    Re: Thoughts on Marsi of Egypt so far?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    If Morsi was sending his troops to round up the Christians and execute them by firing squad, that would be genocide. Calling for calm after some rioters are stopped by the police while trying to burn a church is not even close. The Coptics are facing a difficult time in Egypt, but your claims of genocide are utterly without merit.
    ok. Well, I have presented my side of argument with some news, a reasonable approach to his political platform and I can reinforce it by giving examples of similar situations all across the arab spring.

    You have come to the argument by saying that I presented something false because he is... what? a good man who is trying to make things good? I thought we agreed that sharia isn't good. Therefore, these things cannot go hand in hand. Or I am wrong because he hasn't sent his army to slaughter people yet and that the police managed to stop angry islamists from killing all the Christians. They just let them kill some Christians. But not all.

    I just don't see what you have to go on. I mean I really don't...

    Oh, I know... his backers. The guys that supported him and offer him political capital. What was that wonderful organization again... the Muslim Brotherhood. They were the freedom-loving, free speech, democracy guys right?

    ... The Brotherhood's credo was and is, "Allah is our objective; the Quran is our law, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations."[9][10] The Brotherhood's English language website describes the "principles of the Muslim Brotherhood" as including firstly the introduction of the Islamic Shari`ah as "the basis for controlling the affairs of state and society;" and secondly work to unify "Islamic countries and states, mainly among the Arab states, and liberating them from foreign imperialism".[17]

    from wikipedia. Oh look... they seem friendly. Ofc, the addage is completely bull**** since it contradicts shariah law.
    So please present your case as to why this guy is a good guy. So far, I see only accusations that I am wrong while providing nothing to rebuttle.

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    Re: Thoughts on Marsi of Egypt so far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    ok. Well, I have presented my side of argument with some news, a reasonable approach to his political platform and I can reinforce it by giving examples of similar situations all across the arab spring.

    You have come to the argument by saying that I presented something false because he is... what? a good man who is trying to make things good? I thought we agreed that sharia isn't good. Therefore, these things cannot go hand in hand. Or I am wrong because he hasn't sent his army to slaughter people yet and that the police managed to stop angry islamists from killing all the Christians. They just let them kill some Christians. But not all.

    I just don't see what you have to go on. I mean I really don't...

    Oh, I know... his backers. The guys that supported him and offer him political capital. What was that wonderful organization again... the Muslim Brotherhood. They were the freedom-loving, free speech, democracy guys right?

    ... The Brotherhood's credo was and is, "Allah is our objective; the Quran is our law, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations."[9][10] The Brotherhood's English language website describes the "principles of the Muslim Brotherhood" as including firstly the introduction of the Islamic Shari`ah as "the basis for controlling the affairs of state and society;" and secondly work to unify "Islamic countries and states, mainly among the Arab states, and liberating them from foreign imperialism".[17]

    from wikipedia. Oh look... they seem friendly. Ofc, the addage is completely bull**** since it contradicts shariah law.
    So please present your case as to why this guy is a good guy. So far, I see only accusations that I am wrong while providing nothing to rebuttle.
    The truth is that Morsi is neither a "good guy" nor a genocidal monster. He is primarily a self interested politician trying to maintain power in a fairly chaotic situation. He will make concessions to his religious backers, but not the kind that result in violence and instability.

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    Re: Thoughts on Marsi of Egypt so far?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The truth is that Morsi is neither a "good guy" nor a genocidal monster. He is primarily a self interested politician trying to maintain power in a fairly chaotic situation. He will make concessions to his religious backers, but not the kind that result in violence and instability.
    OMG. How do you know? How can you be certain? All evidence, and I do mean, ALL EVIDENCE and info presented in this thread and that can be seen publicly, from the aftermath in Libya to the sh*tstorm in Syria lead to the same conclusion. islamist extremists inducing islamic extremism in people and making them do criminal acts against christians or other religious minorities (like shia muslims). There is no evidence to support the fact that a muslim brotherhood takeover of a country with the aim of converting said country to shariah law will end up in a peaceful transition. It will be a brutal one in which said religious minorities will suffer. A lot. So much so that it is a genocide. A genocide is not just when all is said and done. It is also the attempt to terminate a religious minority. The attempt. And although it won't be an institutionalized attempt at the highest level, it will be an institutionalized attempt at grass roots level by the virtue of the shariah code itself.

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