View Poll Results: Is the US Military budget morally reasonable and sane?

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  • The budget is reasonable.

    8 34.78%
  • The budget is unreasonable.

    8 34.78%
  • The military budget is insane.

    7 30.43%
  • The military budget is immoral and insane.

    8 34.78%
  • War is good business and that is big military.

    1 4.35%
  • Imperialism and Empire are expensive, military required.

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Thread: Is the price of Imperialism worth it?

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    Is the price of Imperialism worth it?

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    “Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. This is, I repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking. This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.”(Dwight D. Eisenhower)

    Are we the World's most Imperialistic Nation?
    Don't people realize what is happening?
    Is this news in the Major Media?
    Are we over-militarized?
    Who gets the profit from all this?
    Why isn't this a campaign issue?











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    Re: Is the price of Imperialism worth it?

    Are we the World's most Imperialistic Nation?
    Yes. We are an empire.


    Don't people realize what is happening?
    No. The vast majority dont, and the vast majority dont care because they believe we are making the world a better place by bombing the **** out of countries getting involved in other countries affairs and setting up regimes.

    Is this news in the Major Media?
    Nope.

    Are we over-militarized?
    **** yes!!

    Who gets the profit from all this?
    Arms manufacturing, weapon manufactures, mercenary groups, natural resource companies, companies that "rebuild destroyed countries".

    Why isn't this a campaign issue?
    Private money in campaigns.


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    Re: Is the price of Imperialism worth it?

    You and I seem to agree on many issues. It is difficult to get any interest from posters to try to get them to educate themselves or even broaden their perspectives. If they don't participate in this thread, they figure it will go away. They're right. I only posted it for 180 days. Still, one would hope that there would be posters absolutely certain that their side of this issue is correct and want to debate. That, or they know this issue is true and are ashamed of it. Who knows?

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    Re: Is the price of Imperialism worth it?

    I'm one of those "crazy, nutty, kooky doomsday theorists" who thinks US foreign policy is preparatory for an endgame scenario in which the whole world is in an energy war. Oh my goodness, I'm positively bonkers, yes, I know. But if you pretend just for a moment that our elite intelligence knows more or less that something historically bad is about to happen and imagine what they'd want to do in advance, suddenly our foreign interventionism and "insane and immoral" military budget makes quite a bit of sense.

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    Re: Is the price of Imperialism worth it?

    we are a cultural empire, sure

    despite you guys feeling that nobody else knows what is happening, the vast majority know exactly what is happening... and a good portion approve of it.

    is it news?... sure, from time to time.
    well, not the ultra lefty spin... just the mainstream news on military happenings around the world.

    are we over-militarized?... I believe so... but as per our role on the global stage, not really.

    who profits?.. in what way? money?
    a case can be made for everybody in America profiting, as well as our allies.
    the socialists' spin is rather incomplete and narrow


    why isn't this a campaign issue?.. because it's one of the rare things both major parties agree on.

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    Re: Is the price of Imperialism worth it?

    Americans have great culture, nice houses, green meadows and beautiful people. Too bad they are not preoccupied with that instead of being preoccupied with war.

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    Re: Is the price of Imperialism worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Americans have great culture, nice houses, green meadows and beautiful people. Too bad they are not preoccupied with that instead of being preoccupied with war.
    It's hard to rest with our brothers toiling beneath horrible tyranny. Like Uriah (2Sam11:6+), we sleep at the gates despite the lure of luxury.

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    Re: Is the price of Imperialism worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
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    Are we the World's most Imperialistic Nation?
    Don't people realize what is happening?
    Is this news in the Major Media?
    Are we over-militarized?
    Who gets the profit from all this?
    Why isn't this a campaign issue?
    [/I]
    There is little doubt that the US is the most imperialistic nation, but we have plenty of allies in this both in the sense of nations and people within opposed nation's.

    I think that a great many people do not understand it, in fact go to your workplace and ask people there if they know the name of the Secretary of defense....

    NPR tends to only touch on it every now and again, and mainly to question the cost rather than the purpose itself. The BBC also occasionally mentions just how much more military power we have than Tue rest of the world....but I cannot really think of any other outlets really discussing anything beyond election year military cuts.

    I would say it is a given that we are over militarized as there isn't really a credible threat to our nation from the army of any other nation in conventional warfare.

    Who profits? I do. Both indirectly due to the jobs in DC which is where I live, and directly from my partners income which comes from the defense industry. I am gonna have to cite a conflict of interest for myself here.

    It isn't a campaign issue becaue these are jobs, and the way this election haw gone a single job seems worth quite a few lives, or at least that is how hard they are spinning it.

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    Re: Is the price of Imperialism worth it?

    The budget is reasonable and could surely be reduced (at least, reduced in increase from the previous year if not actually cut).

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    Re: Is the price of Imperialism worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The US is the World's Biggest War-Monger | This Can't Be Happening

    [I]“Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. This is, I repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking. This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.”(Dwight D. Eisenhower)
    Eisenhower was a failure as a president.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Are we the World's most Imperialistic Nation?
    Imperialism is dead. We are NOT an empire. Not even the Soviets were an empire. What we have is a large sphere of influence over a number of nations. However, we don't directly dictate to any other nation. They CHOOSE to be allied with us, because we provide a benefit to them.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Don't people realize what is happening?
    What is happening? The USA is the world's only superpower. I think the world does realize that, yes. Here is my question to you - why is that a problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Is this news in the Major Media?
    What news?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Are we over-militarized?
    In what sense? In a practical sense, no. We are engaged all over the world and that justifies our expenditure. Morally? Well that's your call. Personally, I think the USA is a benevolent superpower, and I'm glad that power vacuum isn't being filled by the Chinese or the Russians.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Who gets the profit from all this?
    Europeans. They spend nothing on a military, and get all the benefits of peace and stability on America's dime. Personally, I think we should charge for our services.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Why isn't this a campaign issue?
    Why isn't what a campaign issue? Military spending? I'm sure it will be. Check out the debates.
    Last edited by Peter Grimm; 09-26-12 at 04:06 AM.

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