View Poll Results: Is the US Military budget morally reasonable and sane?

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  • The budget is reasonable.

    8 34.78%
  • The budget is unreasonable.

    8 34.78%
  • The military budget is insane.

    7 30.43%
  • The military budget is immoral and insane.

    8 34.78%
  • War is good business and that is big military.

    1 4.35%
  • Imperialism and Empire are expensive, military required.

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Thread: Is the price of Imperialism worth it?

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    Re: Is the price of Imperialism worth it?

    It takes a lot of cash to be top dog. Imagine how quickly the world would spiral if we weren't smacking greedy little hands.

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    Re: Is the price of Imperialism worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The US is the World's Biggest War-Monger | This Can't Be Happening

    “Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. This is, I repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking. This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.”(Dwight D. Eisenhower)

    Are we the World's most Imperialistic Nation?
    Don't people realize what is happening?
    Is this news in the Major Media?
    Are we over-militarized?
    Who gets the profit from all this?
    Why isn't this a campaign issue?










    I don't see us an empire but rather an hegemony. We fought a revolution against this kind of thing. But if other people do it, they're called insurgents.
    “The people do no want virtue; but they are the dupes of pretended patriots” : Elbridge Gerry of Mass; Constitutional Convention 1787

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    Re: Is the price of Imperialism worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kane View Post
    The promiise to shut down the CIA, the criminal CIA represents a government within a government, is non-negotiable. Wimpy liberals like John Kerry and Hillary Clinton have been making deals and looking the other way at CIA criminality for far too long, SHUT IT DOWN.


    Afghanistan vs. the Soviets was masterminded and carried out by CIA Director William Casey. Read the book THE LAST DAYS OF THE CIA by Mark Perry. Its a good map of how the CIAs policies really created the war on terror by funding villians the world over.

    Charlie Wilsons War w/ Tom Hanks, and Philip Seymour Hoffman is pure BS
    You are just covering up for their hiring policies, where the same ambitious imbeciles run things that run businesses and the government, or wherever your own gurus are in charge. If you would admit how misleading the credentials are of all these no-talent brown-noses, then you would feel safe that any conspiracy run by such bunglers would be bound to fail.

    And what about the Conspiracy Conspiracy? Sacred Cows such as the blindly accepted way incompetent people get ahead in these Last Days of the USA cause most of our problems, so these leaders fund conspiracy cults to trick people into attacking non-existent plotters instead of the open perpetrators whose competence is never questioned, only their morals.
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
    We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
    Hey, richboys! Imagine the boot of democracy stomping on your faces, forever.

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    Re: Is the price of Imperialism worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I believe random Hollywood movies not even pretending to be based on reality more than I believe CT. Tom Hanks and whoever that other guy is win.
    Another thing believable about it is that Wilson proved how even a backbencher Congressman could get things done if he was experienced, persistent, flexible, opportunistic, and creative enough. I don't believe this negativist excuse that the people in power are stuck by red tape and conflicting interests and so powerless to change anything. They broke it; they better fix it.
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
    We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
    Hey, richboys! Imagine the boot of democracy stomping on your faces, forever.

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    Re: Is the price of Imperialism worth it?

    The way this question is worded makes me laugh.

    Doesn't an "imperialist" have colonies, by nature? I must have missed all those wars of conquest America has embarked on in the last 50 years.

    Just an FYI.... calling the United States "the imperialists" began with the Soviet Union during the height of the civil war. It was part of their anti-western propaganda. Fidel Castro started using the term in the 60's, and Latin American left-wingers have used it ever since. So you're in good company, OP.

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    Re: Is the price of Imperialism worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The way this question is worded makes me laugh.

    Doesn't an "imperialist" have colonies, by nature? I must have missed all those wars of conquest America has embarked on in the last 50 years.

    Just an FYI.... calling the United States "the imperialists" began with the Soviet Union during the height of the civil war. It was part of their anti-western propaganda. Fidel Castro started using the term in the 60's, and Latin American left-wingers have used it ever since. So you're in good company, OP.
    I would presume that if one controlled a gov't sufficiently well, its industry, agriculture, etc. would also be under that control. Good examples would be Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador, etc. "Banana Republics" then and now. In those Nations, we, the USA control bountiful agricultural production by management (gov't) and labor (citizens). We control the management like the recent management change in Honduras. Zelaya is out by artful coup orchestrated by the CIA to strengthen the management position and laborers, reporters, protesters, etc. are just collateral damage. Just one example among many. The fruits of Iraq are about OIL and USA multinationals. Libya is the same. If you get the fruits, the need to colonize locally is minimized. Grenada and cobalt. Who would have guessed that there is a lot of OIL in Iran. Syria is OIL, port, and pipelines. Afghanistan is pipeline and huge natural resources. To the victor go the spoils and it does not require occupation by the victors, but by their Corporations. Don't try to over-simplify the nature of imperialism to mean occupation.

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    Re: Is the price of Imperialism worth it?

    We don't control the "banana republics" and never have.

    The United Fruit Company (if I remember their name correctly) had massive land and railroad holdings in a number of central american countries. This is a private American company. For example, in Guatemala, there was a socialist takeover and they sought to nationalize the assets held by the United Fruit Company.

    The leaders of The United Fruit Company (now Chiquita Bananas) had friends in high places (the CIA) and convinced them to give weapons and training to the resistance forces.

    We don't run any central american country. We don't run Iraq. We don't run Afghanistan. We DO assert an influence over these countries, and we DO protect our interests as in the example I gave. That is NOT the same thing as simply taking over.

    The Romans were imperialists. The British were imperialists. What they would do is take over a country, and put one of their own citizens in charge of running the whole country. They would make ALL the laws, they would do all the policing, everything. The closest the United States has ever come to imperialism is the way we ran Japan for a few years after WW2. That's it.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I would presume that if one controlled a gov't sufficiently well, its industry, agriculture, etc. would also be under that control. Good examples would be Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador, etc. "Banana Republics" then and now. In those Nations, we, the USA control bountiful agricultural production by management (gov't) and labor (citizens). We control the management like the recent management change in Honduras. Zelaya is out by artful coup orchestrated by the CIA to strengthen the management position and laborers, reporters, protesters, etc. are just collateral damage. Just one example among many. The fruits of Iraq are about OIL and USA multinationals. Libya is the same. If you get the fruits, the need to colonize locally is minimized. Grenada and cobalt. Who would have guessed that there is a lot of OIL in Iran. Syria is OIL, port, and pipelines. Afghanistan is pipeline and huge natural resources. To the victor go the spoils and it does not require occupation by the victors, but by their Corporations. Don't try to over-simplify the nature of imperialism to mean occupation.

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    Re: Is the price of Imperialism worth it?

    In general yes he was. Unfortunately he also backed a coup to install a very repressive dictatorship in Guatemala which earned him the nickname "the butcher of Guatemala".

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    Re: Is the price of Imperialism worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    We don't control the "banana republics" and never have.

    The United Fruit Company (if I remember their name correctly) had massive land and railroad holdings in a number of central american countries. This is a private American company. For example, in Guatemala, there was a socialist takeover and they sought to nationalize the assets held by the United Fruit Company.

    The leaders of The United Fruit Company (now Chiquita Bananas) had friends in high places (the CIA) and convinced them to give weapons and training to the resistance forces.

    We don't run any central american country. We don't run Iraq. We don't run Afghanistan. We DO assert an influence over these countries, and we DO protect our interests as in the example I gave. That is NOT the same thing as simply taking over.

    The Romans were imperialists. The British were imperialists. What they would do is take over a country, and put one of their own citizens in charge of running the whole country. They would make ALL the laws, they would do all the policing, everything. The closest the United States has ever come to imperialism is the way we ran Japan for a few years after WW2. That's it.
    We, the USA, have military bases in approximately 140 Nations. Do that release that plug in the ol' cranium? Ex-lax won't do it. Wrong end. Same consistency and volume. You know, full.

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