Should Harry Reid Resign?

Mason66 said:

Do you give everything you are asked for evenif it is detrimental to you?

Why should he show 10 years tax returns?

This schoolyard mentality of "give it to us or we'll tell" is rediculous.

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He wants to be president. Why shouldn't he show ten years? 20 Years? What would it hurt?

Ah, therein lies the reason why he won't.

Dion said:

It has not been debunked! In fact even on IRS forms in which Romney paid less than one third of the percentage that I paid as a full-time working nurse practioner ... it could be zero as he had hundreds of millions hidden offshore. What about the secretive forms from the ten years at Bain and where he invested the money he made while taking a slice of the pie to dismantle companies and jobs to make a handful of people uber wealthy?

Proof Harry lied? No ...proof of Romney's secretive offshore financial record in which he boasts qualifies him him to be POTUS. No!

I do not think Reid is perfect yet on many issues he is right on target! That was a bold move Reid pulled ... a boxing move ... now if Romneyy wants to open it up and 'prove" Reid lied ...well Reid would be the first to say Bring it on! Romney is a rich boy used to people placating him and Reid is a man.

Nevada is such a bizarre state imho ... I am curious how it will go ... lots of Mormans. I only go to Nevada to bike in the canyons ... I hate Vegas.

Former boxer and patriot ...Harry Reid is badass!

Reid has less reason to resign than Romney!

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I don't think you know what the word "hidden" means.

Dion said:

Yes, if I include federal, state and other taxes and I was including FICA I paid almost 39% of my income in taxes.

Romney reports in one year to have paid 13% ...yet with hundreds of millions of hidden income his actual rate was much less.

Hmmm I earn over 6 figures ... yet I would hardly use your semantics of uber-super-duper ultra rich to describe a person such as me. I work my ass off ...with a FT position and a consulting business as I have my masters in managing chronic disease. i hardly think of that as super uper duper ... it is simply work I love and I have a skill in case management that helps people struggling with complex medical issues and saves tax payer money.

I like my work ...it is nothing glamourous or "uber super duper" nor am I rich ...yet I do fairly well supporting myself and my children.

Now because we do not know exactly how much Romney pays ... I suspect my best guess that I pay 3 times the percentage of what he pays on his income is a gross understatement on my part.

I am not sure what you find so difficult to believe ... a person with their masters in managing complex cases of chronic disease that can improve clinical outcomes and lower costs for the payor be it private or public is in demand.

Super duper ... believe what you want ... you are sadly speaking on something you seem to know little about. It is actually irrelevant.

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Do you think you pay federal, state and other taxes and Romney doesn't.

Why don't you figure in those other taxes and see where his actuall rate is like you are doing with yours.

obvious Child said:

When did Reid say that Romney committed fraud on the taxpayers? Last I checked, Reid said that through a variety of legal measures, Romney paid nothing. Not that Romney is a tax cheat. And the whole felon thing is largely on the disclosures to the Fed about his time at Bain. And that is somewhat questionable considering the legal statements given and Romney's equity interests.

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Reid said no such thing. He just said Romney paid no taxes.

Muddy Creek said:

He wants to be president. Why shouldn't he show ten years? 20 Years? What would it hurt?

Ah, therein lies the reason why he won't.

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Why should the dialog be about what he made inthe past 10 years instead of the presidents record?

Romeny knows if he releases 10 years that the democrats, or as Obama always says the opposition, would use that to try to tear him apart on non-issues, thereby wasting the next 45 days until the election.

He doesn't have time to talk about something that is none of your business.

He has done nothing illegal, if he had the IRS would be allover him, so it is nobodys business what is in his tax returns.

Mason66 said:

I don't think you know what the word "hidden" means.

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.. or "badass" :lol:

Thrilla said:

.. or "badass" :lol:

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True......

Mason66 said:

If Romeny paid no taxes in those years that meant he had no income of any kind. If he had inclome and paid no taxzes the IRS would be all over him.

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Not really. He would only need zero gross ADJUSTED income. That is income minus deductions. He could have lost 15 mill in the stock market in 2008-9 for example.
Waterhouse was very careful with the wording in the "letter". Apparently according to tax experts, the wording makes the document nearly worthless in deciphering the mysteries of the Romney's returns. It's all legal of course.

friday said:

What Matters in Romney's Tax Memo - Yahoo! Finance

In an attempt to smear Mitt Romney, about two months ago United States Senator Harry Reid declared that he had inside knowledge that Mitt Romney had not paid any taxes for some of the years over the last decade. This has now been debunked. So the question is, if a United States senator lies about another American's income tax filings in an attempt to smear them, should that trusted member of civilized government be forced to resign?

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Actually not true. All you have is a representation letter, with vague representations. It is quite possible both the attorney representation and Reid's representations are each true. If Romney filed a return showing no tax owed, then he was audited, assessed and paid the assessment, each of the apparently conflicting statements would be true. Moreover, Reid only represented that he knew someone that knew the circumstance. If he were lied to, then he did not lie.

In any case, this is simple politics, not lying and certainly not something one would resign over. Each campaign takes much broader license with the truth in their political ads...

In the interim, we only have what we have; which is not the Romney tax return but a note from his mother saying its "ok".

Mason66 said:

If Romeny paid no taxes in those years that meant he had no income of any kind. If he had inclome and paid no taxzes the IRS would be all over him.

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Also not true. Romney can have millions in income and not pay income taxes if he also recognizes large losses... Most of his income is in the form of carried interests on various partnerships which hold investments. Likely losses of operating companies are passed through to the shareholders. These losses can often be "created" through accelerated depreciation and transfer pricing (if the company is a multi-national). The partnerships can also write off your investment in a company when it is deemed worthless. The act of deeming something worthless is less than completely objective; the partners have some discretion in declaring an investment worthless and taking the write-off.
Romney can have all kinds of paper losses that offset income and create a zero tax liability.

Believe it or not, many of the 47% are millionaires...

Mason66 said:

Why should the dialog be about what he made inthe past 10 years instead of the presidents record?

Romeny knows if he releases 10 years that the democrats, or as Obama always says the opposition, would use that to try to tear him apart on non-issues, thereby wasting the next 45 days until the election.

He doesn't have time to talk about something that is none of your business.

He has done nothing illegal, if he had the IRS would be allover him, so it is nobodys business what is in his tax returns.

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Since you mentioned it we DON'T know if the IRS has been "all over " him or not. That is between the IRS and him. He has admitted to being audited and we do know he closed his Swiss account during an IRS "amnesty" period for persons with Swiss accounts hidden from the IRS. Could he have taken amnesty? Is that bad enough to take the heat about them he's been taking all these weeks? Unless there's something worse, Romney must think so.

iguanaman said:

Since you mentioned it we DON'T know if the IRS has been "all over " him or not. That is between the IRS and him. He has admitted to being audited and we do know he closed his Swiss account during an IRS "amnesty" period for persons with Swiss accounts hidden from the IRS. Could he have taken amnesty? Is that bad enough to take the heat about them he's been taking all these weeks? Unless there's something worse, Romney must think so.

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That is quite a jump.

I don't think you understand how his religion would not let him do the things you people seem to think he did.

VanceMack said:

He DID volunteer...and bailed as soon as a democrat lost the election. He was following the Kennedy plan to success in politics. He also nominated himself for those decorations, several of them being 'awarded' after he was an elected official. His record and performance was countered by people he served with. They would be in a much more powerful position to know than someone like...say...me...a guy with 20 years of service, 7 deployments in a combat zone and 6 and 2/3s rows of commendations and awards (none of which were awarded for rice shrapnel in my ass because I was standing too close to a container I tossed a grenade into. But then...I never proudly admitted to shooting an unarmed fleeing enemy combatant in the back either).

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He nominated himself for nothing, but that's minor compared to the bigger lie you posted . . . . . He NEVER admitted to shooting anyone who was unarmed, and in the back.

Myself and the other 24 guys who were present have said no such thing, and neither has Kerry. In fact, the guy had a loaded B-40. He was not, according to several present, shot in the back.

Doug Reese

damn Doug... you are like a psychic..

no Doug around, no Doug to be seen...until your spidey sense kicks in and picks up somebody talking trash about Kerry :lol:

Romney may have paid millions in taxes but he chose not to use some deductions, and he'll just amend his next years tax return so that he pays even less.. no biggie.. just saying.

DougReese said:

He nominated himself for nothing, but that's minor compared to the bigger lie you posted . . . . . He NEVER admitted to shooting anyone who was unarmed, and in the back.

Myself and the other 24 guys who were present have said no such thing, and neither has Kerry. In fact, the guy had a loaded B-40. He was not, according to several present, shot in the back.

Doug Reese

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Awesome, Doug. Where you also drifting along on Christmas eve 1968 in Cambodia, listening on the radio to President Nixon telling the world at that moment you werent in Cambodia on Christmas eve in 1968? Was that memory 'seared' into your brain? (perhaps that 'searing' was literal and thats why he forgot that Nixon wasnt president in 1968). Did you also pick up mystery shards of shrapnel so small they managed to leave no scars or wounds yet penetrate a hull, tanks, decking, and seat to magically find its way into your ass...shards so small they could be removed with tweezers? Did you manage to record 3 purple hearts in 120 days without requiring any actual medical care? Were you one of those liberal war hawks that was all about fighting the war when it was a democrat in office but somehow found a conscience after the republican was elected? Did you also volunteer to testify with liars and pretend soldiers? Oh...and did you SEE this new weapon...this grenade launcher that the opposition fired at you while running away, making getting shot in the back a necessity?

Yet another one of those issues that could have been resolved by simple offering a complete review of those military records. And heck...who knows...maybe he would have been so proud of his efforts upon further review that he would retrieve those medals he threw away for a photo op. Oh...thats right...he already did. But you know...more of that SELECTIVE desire for disclosure. As the OP said...liberals are ALL ABOUT full disclosure...from the other guy.

friday said:

You'll have to remind me, because I really don't remember which elected official claimed that Obama "pals around with terrorists", although I'm sure whoever it was was referring to Bill Ayers who was a domestic terrorist. So obviously the difference there would be that Harry Reid actually lied.

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Well she was governor so she was an elected official. She also was your parties VP on the Presidential ticket so she's prominent. She receive millions a year via Fox News to spew her garbage so she must be pretty a pretty big deal because a doubt Fox News just signs a million dollar contract with anyone.

As for your "pals around"...they met like twice and only due to both of them being prominent members of Chicago society. Both have said they don't know each other. But facts don't matter right?

friday said:

What Matters in Romney's Tax Memo - Yahoo! Finance

In an attempt to smear Mitt Romney, about two months ago United States Senator Harry Reid declared that he had inside knowledge that Mitt Romney had not paid any taxes for some of the years over the last decade. This has now been debunked. So the question is, if a United States senator lies about another American's income tax filings in an attempt to smear them, should that trusted member of civilized government be forced to resign?

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I definitely think so.

There is a world of difference between the typical skewering of the facts to support a position and the Senate majority leader taking the floor and blatantly making stuff up to influence a presidential election.

The part that really annoys me about this whole Romney tax situation is that he is just paying the tax rates that the POTUS signs into law.

iliveonramen said:

Well she was governor so she was an elected official. She also was your parties VP on the Presidential ticket so she's prominent. She receive millions a year via Fox News to spew her garbage so she must be pretty a pretty big deal because a doubt Fox News just signs a million dollar contract with anyone.

As for your "pals around"...they met like twice and only due to both of them being prominent members of Chicago society. Both have said they don't know each other. But facts don't matter right?

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Does Obama launching his political career in Ayers living Room count as one of those times they "met"?

friday said:

What Matters in Romney's Tax Memo - Yahoo! Finance

In an attempt to smear Mitt Romney, about two months ago United States Senator Harry Reid declared that he had inside knowledge that Mitt Romney had not paid any taxes for some of the years over the last decade. This has now been debunked. So the question is, if a United States senator lies about another American's income tax filings in an attempt to smear them, should that trusted member of civilized government be forced to resign?

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No, he should just learn to shut the **** up unless he can back his claims with evidence. Proper punishment for this, imo, is to regularly shame him in public. Kind of a modern stockade type deal.

Wiggen said:

John Kerry volunteered to fight in a war and won a sliver star and the purple heart. How does that compare with your own service?

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How do you "win" a Silver Star and Purple Heart?

By being really brave and by getting wounded. I understand these may be difficult concepts for you to understand. Maybe reading a book would help, since you apparently have no practical experience yourself with military service.

nobody wins a silver star or purple heart.

every single one of them is awarded.

Wiggen said:

By being really brave and by getting wounded. I understand these may be difficult concepts for you to understand. Maybe reading a book would help, since you apparently have no practical experience yourself with military service.

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So how many medals did you "win?"

:lamo

Apparently a very difficult concept for you to grasp is that military medals are not "won." Medals are awarded to recipients meeting certain criteria.

VanceMack said:

Awesome, Doug. Where you also drifting along on Christmas eve 1968 in Cambodia, listening on the radio to President Nixon telling the world at that moment you werent in Cambodia on Christmas eve in 1968? Was that memory 'seared' into your brain? (perhaps that 'searing' was literal and thats why he forgot that Nixon wasnt president in 1968). Did you also pick up mystery shards of shrapnel so small they managed to leave no scars or wounds yet penetrate a hull, tanks, decking, and seat to magically find its way into your ass...shards so small they could be removed with tweezers? Did you manage to record 3 purple hearts in 120 days without requiring any actual medical care? Were you one of those liberal war hawks that was all about fighting the war when it was a democrat in office but somehow found a conscience after the republican was elected? Did you also volunteer to testify with liars and pretend soldiers? Oh...and did you SEE this new weapon...this grenade launcher that the opposition fired at you while running away, making getting shot in the back a necessity?

Yet another one of those issues that could have been resolved by simple offering a complete review of those military records. And heck...who knows...maybe he would have been so proud of his efforts upon further review that he would retrieve those medals he threw away for a photo op. Oh...thats right...he already did. But you know...more of that SELECTIVE desire for disclosure. As the OP said...liberals are ALL ABOUT full disclosure...from the other guy.

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Well, well, another Kerry-hater who can't get beyond Cambodia and get to anything of substance.

Kerry did get medical care for all three of his PHs, since you didn't/don't care to know. He still has shrapnel in his leg from one of those incidents.

There was no need for shrapnel to "penetrate a hull, tanks, decking, and seat to magically find its way into your ass . . . . ", as he wasn't on the boat for that particular incident. He didn't get a PH for that, by the way, but for something else later in the day..

None of those who testified at Winter Soldier were discovered to be "pretend soldiers". None. You can argue about what they claimed, but they were there.

What is this about -- "Oh...and did you SEE this new weapon...this grenade launcher that the opposition fired at you while running away, making getting shot in the back a necessity?"

The VC Kerry killed fired his B-40 at Kerry's boat. He missed the boat, but blew out the wheelhouse window. His assistant then reloaded the B-40. Kerry's boat beached almost on top of him seconds later. He was then wounded by Kerry's forward M-60 gunner, but then the M-60 jammed, and the VC got up and ran away, down a nearby trail. Kerry and one of his crew got off and went after him. Kerry shot the VC as he was looking to his left, back towards Kerry's boat. He was either checking out the situation to see if he had a clear shot at Kerry's boat, or he was looking back over his shoulder to see if anyone was following him. We'll never know what exactly he was doing, because Kerry shot him before it was clear.

Doug Reese

Thrilla said:

damn Doug... you are like a psychic..

no Doug around, no Doug to be seen...until your spidey sense kicks in and picks up somebody talking trash about Kerry :lol:

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"Like a psychic"? Ney, ney, I AM a psychic

Doug Reese