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    Re: Should Harry Reid Resign?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No. I'm suggesting that Romney still hasn't released any evidence to refute the claims being made. Release the return like your father, end of claims.
    No "evidence" other than a summary/certification from the general counsel of the firm which prepared his taxes. This is, by the way, equivalent to a short-form birth certificate, so you're verging on birther territory with this.

    I ask again -- do you think this is fraudulent? If so, explain how, and keep in mind, you're accusing someone, perhaps someones, of a felony.

    (And where's the accuser's "evidence"? You seem to have little curiosity over that.)
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    Re: Should Harry Reid Resign?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No "evidence" other than a summary/certification from the general counsel of the firm which prepared his taxes. This is, by the way, equivalent to a short-form birth certificate, so you're verging on birther territory with this.

    I ask again -- do you think this is fraudulent? If so, explain how, and keep in mind, you're accusing someone, perhaps someones, of a felony.

    (And where's the accuser's "evidence"? You seem to have little curiosity over that.)
    Buddy, read the post again. You yourself argued that Obama SHOULD release his birth certificate if he had nothing to hide even though there was ZERO evidence he wasn't a U.S. citizen born in Hawaii. Now you all the sudden are finding reasons to have Romney not release his tax returns even though the situation is exactly the same? Yer lookin' partisan.
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    Re: Should Harry Reid Resign?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Come on Harshaw, step up and let's see you back up your own words here. Or is this different?
    What in my words do I have to square?

    I didn't question the authenticity of anything, as you appear to be doing with the PWC letter.

    The equivalent, in this case, to Reid's accusation that Romney paid no taxes is the accusation that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii. You quoted me as not disputing Obama's place of birth.

    You can say "fine, Reid was wrong, but what ELSE could Romney be hiding," which would be equivalent to what I said in the quote (never mind that I was explaining what someone else had said), but that's not what you're doing. You're saying Reid's accusation stands and the PWC letter doesn't do anything to dispute it.
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    Re: Should Harry Reid Resign?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    For the same reason Obama ended up showing his birth certificate. End of controversy. The longer he takes, the more people will become suspicious. The relevance of Obama's birth certificate was none to most people for the simple reason that all security agencies do background checks on members of congress. Tax returns? Not so much.
    Of well if its to end controversy than why hasnt Obama released all of his college transcripts? People want to know...
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    Re: Should Harry Reid Resign?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Buddy, read the post again.
    As you edited your post after I quoted you, what you are referring to wasn't there at the time.

    You yourself argued that Obama SHOULD release his birth certificate if he had nothing to hide even though there was ZERO evidence he wasn't a U.S. citizen born in Hawaii. Now you all the sudden are finding reasons to have Romney not release his tax returns even though the situation is exactly the same? Yer lookin' partisan.
    And I have now responded to this above.

    Now, answer the question -- are you saying the PWC letter is a fraud, either being a forgery or being an intentional misrepresentation by PWC?
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    Re: Should Harry Reid Resign?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Buddy, read the post again. You yourself argued that Obama SHOULD release his birth certificate if he had nothing to hide even though there was ZERO evidence he wasn't a U.S. citizen born in Hawaii. Now you all the sudden are finding reasons to have Romney not release his tax returns even though the situation is exactly the same? Yer lookin' partisan.
    Its not the same if you wish to scrutinize. One pertains to someones eligibility to be President. The other has nothing to do with anything.
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    Re: Should Harry Reid Resign?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It was Sarah Palin. And she was correct.
    But wouldn't it have been more accurate to say he pals aroumd with A terrorist?
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    Re: Should Harry Reid Resign?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    What in my words do I have to square?

    I didn't question the authenticity of anything, as you appear to be doing with the PWC letter.
    While this COULD be questioning authenticity, it could also be, as it is for others, offered as an example of the secrecy and untrustworthiness inherent in Obama -- if there's nothing to hide, why can't he just show it? Is there something on the full-out certificate he doesn't want people to know, separate from his place of birth? Questions will linger as long as the actual certificate -- which is much more detailed than the computer-generated version Hawaii produced -- is kept confidential.
    A lot of rosy talk simply to say you didn't believe the short form birth certificate was good enough/real etc.

    The equivalent, in this case, to Reid's accusation that Romney paid no taxes is the accusation that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii. You quoted me as not disputing Obama's place of birth.
    Moving the goalposts? How cute.

    You can say "fine, Reid was wrong, but what ELSE could Romney be hiding," which would be equivalent to what I said in the quote (never mind that I was explaining what someone else had said), but that's not what you're doing. You're saying Reid's accusation stands and the PWC letter doesn't do anything to dispute it.
    All the mental acrobatics required to write the above are giving you a headache aren't they?
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    Re: Should Harry Reid Resign?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    Its not the same if you wish to scrutinize. One pertains to someones eligibility to be President. The other has nothing to do with anything.
    An eligibility to be president who wasn't questioned by anybody in any of our national security agencies.
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    Re: Should Harry Reid Resign?

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    As far as swiftboating Kerry, what you had was veterans who served with him in Vietnam who, honest or not, didn't like being accused of raping and murdering the vietnamese. But none of them were elected officials.
    John Kerry volunteered to fight in a war and won a sliver star and the purple heart. How does that compare with your own service?
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