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    Re: Should we eliminate taxes that tax you for the right to own property?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    I would definitely agree with changing things in my own state to reduce the cost of state government. Since schooling is not (economically speaking) a public good, I would certainly get behind the idea of education being provided by the private sector, rather than through state socialism.
    and could you explain how educating the next and future generations is NOT A PUBLIC GOOD?
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    Re: Should we eliminate taxes that tax you for the right to own property?

    The whole tax system needs to be reformed before we can even discuss which types of taxes stay and go. I'm no expert on the topic by any means, but holy **** our tax system is a mess.
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    Re: Should we eliminate taxes that tax you for the right to own property?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    I would definitely agree with changing things in my own state to reduce the cost of state government. Since schooling is not (economically speaking) a public good, I would certainly get behind the idea of education being provided by the private sector, rather than through state socialism.
    Interestingly, a couple of weeks ago, I was doing some reading about private schools, and their cost, and was surprised to find out that private school is about as expensive as daycare in many cases. If people can pay for daycare, why should they be opposed to paying for a better education for their children?
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    Re: Should we eliminate taxes that tax you for the right to own property?

    It depends which kind of property taxes we're talking about. For automobiles, I think they should exist but they should be limited. We need to keep in mind that car-owners are imposing a lot of economic externalities (e.g. air pollution, traffic jams, wear and tear on the roads) onto the rest of society, so I don't have a problem with taxing them for the problems they help create. The problem with an automobile tax is when it exceeds the cost of those externalities and just becomes punitive.

    For homes, I actually think people aren't taxed enough. Property taxes are a form of taxation that our government doesn't make nearly as much use of as it should. In many ways, taxes on real estate are a near-ideal type of tax, because unlike corporate/income/consumption taxes they don't discourage any behavior that society might want to promote (i.e. the supply of land will not change regardless of whether or not there's a property tax).
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    Re: Should we eliminate taxes that tax you for the right to own property?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Some good examples of this would be car registration and property taxes where you are charged to use your property, be it your car, or your home. When the government charges you for use they are in effect taking ownership of whatever it might be over, be it again, your car or your home and in effect making you a renter. It is clear this is a violation of property rights in on both front, but the question remains do we as a people agree with it? There is of course other examples of such taxes and my question does in fact include them as well.

    It should also be noted for our liberal friends that in many states you must renew your registration on your car every year and this can run easily up in the hundreds of dollars. Obviously, this can make it challenging for the poorer among us to pay such fees. Considering that they are supporters of the progressive tax system and enjoy the argument that the poor can not pay higher taxes when arguing for such a system it would make sense then to believe they would not be in support of this kind of tax.
    The examples that you gave have good reasons that you have to pay for.

    The car registration is for the use of public roads. The registration money goes to road projects that helps keep them safe to drive on. You can have your car on your own property and never pay registration, as long as you never use the public roads.

    You do not own the land that your house sits on. All the land is owned by the state. You are renting the land that is why you pay property taxes. There is something called an allodial title. This kind of title means that you own the land and owe nothing to the state. The only place you can get one of those (in the U.S.) is Texas, even than it is not ez to get.
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    Re: Should we eliminate taxes that tax you for the right to own property?

    i'm not a big fan of property taxes in principle; it feels like renting your own property, and this has annoyed me since my libertarian days. however, the libertarian alternative would be user fees, which would probably be even more regressive. for example, if there were no fees to renew license and registration, it's likely that the alternative would be more ubiquitous pay-as-you-drive toll roads. the same would be true for primary and secondary education. given this, property taxes and registration fees are slightly preferable.

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    Re: Should we eliminate taxes that tax you for the right to own property?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Some good examples of this would be car registration and property taxes where you are charged to use your property, be it your car, or your home. When the government charges you for use they are in effect taking ownership of whatever it might be over, be it again, your car or your home and in effect making you a renter. It is clear this is a violation of property rights in on both front, but the question remains do we as a people agree with it? There is of course other examples of such taxes and my question does in fact include them as well.

    It should also be noted for our liberal friends that in many states you must renew your registration on your car every year and this can run easily up in the hundreds of dollars. Obviously, this can make it challenging for the poorer among us to pay such fees. Considering that they are supporters of the progressive tax system and enjoy the argument that the poor can not pay higher taxes when arguing for such a system it would make sense then to believe they would not be in support of this kind of tax.
    I voted to eliminate certain property taxes.

    I think that only for homes should such taxes be eliminated. But only real homes - property rented out should still be taxed.
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    Re: Should we eliminate taxes that tax you for the right to own property?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It depends which kind of property taxes we're talking about. For automobiles, I think they should exist but they should be limited. We need to keep in mind that car-owners are imposing a lot of economic externalities (e.g. air pollution, traffic jams, wear and tear on the roads) onto the rest of society, so I don't have a problem with taxing them for the problems they help create. The problem with an automobile tax is when it exceeds the cost of those externalities and just becomes punitive.

    For homes, I actually think people aren't taxed enough. Property taxes are a form of taxation that our government doesn't make nearly as much use of as it should. In many ways, taxes on real estate are a near-ideal type of tax, because unlike corporate/income/consumption taxes they don't discourage any behavior that society might want to promote (i.e. the supply of land will not change regardless of whether or not there's a property tax).
    States and counties that have high property taxes tend to drive away property owners. All other factors being the same; if you can buy a house in one county and pay $300 less a year to buy a house in the next county, would you pay extra for no reason?
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    Re: Should we eliminate taxes that tax you for the right to own property?

    Quote Originally Posted by comedy4all View Post
    The examples that you gave have good reasons that you have to pay for.

    The car registration is for the use of public roads. The registration money goes to road projects that helps keep them safe to drive on. You can have your car on your own property and never pay registration, as long as you never use the public roads.
    How many different kind of taxes do we need for roads and if I can't use my car than I clearly do not own it outside of name only. Unless of course you think I'm allowed to drive next to roads everywhere I go, which I am not. The fact is that in order to use my car in a usual matter I have to pay the state. I should not have to pay the state to use my car in the way it was designed to be used.

    You do not own the land that your house sits on. All the land is owned by the state. You are renting the land that is why you pay property taxes. There is something called an allodial title. This kind of title means that you own the land and owe nothing to the state. The only place you can get one of those (in the U.S.) is Texas, even than it is not ez to get.
    Then no one really owns land at all in the us and what I thought was the problem is actually far worse. It felt like the mob before, but now the difference is non-existent. Thanks for clarifying..I guess.

    I guess the next poll should be "Should people in the US be able to own land outright without an allodial title" This country is a ****ing disaster without doubt.
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    Re: Should we eliminate taxes that tax you for the right to own property?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    The whole tax system needs to be reformed before we can even discuss which types of taxes stay and go. I'm no expert on the topic by any means, but holy **** our tax system is a mess.
    It seems to me we need to get our property rights back before we start to worry about the tax structure. Rights first, taxes second.

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