View Poll Results: Should we eliminate taxes that tax you for the right to own property?

Voters
34. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes

    20 58.82%
  • No

    7 20.59%
  • Eliminate just some of them(please comment on which ones and why)

    7 20.59%
Page 10 of 11 FirstFirst ... 891011 LastLast
Results 91 to 100 of 106

Thread: Should we eliminate taxes that tax you for the right to own property?

  1. #91
    Enemy Combatant
    Kandahar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Washington, DC
    Last Seen
    10-15-13 @ 08:47 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    20,688

    Re: Should we eliminate taxes that tax you for the right to own property?

    Quote Originally Posted by comedy4all View Post
    States and counties that have high property taxes tend to drive away property owners. All other factors being the same; if you can buy a house in one county and pay $300 less a year to buy a house in the next county, would you pay extra for no reason?
    Maybe not, but someone will still own the property either way. However, I agree that it could dissuade people from buying property in certain jurisdictions, which is one reason I think it's best to implement a property tax at as upper level of government as possible. Doing it at the state level is better than at the local level, and doing it at the national level is better still. That solves two problems: It makes it harder to avoid the tax, and it reduces wealth disparity more.

    As far as I'm concerned, this would actually be preferable to an income tax...and certainly preferable to a consumption tax or corporate tax.
    Last edited by Kandahar; 09-25-12 at 01:01 AM.
    Are you coming to bed?
    I can't. This is important.
    What?
    Someone is WRONG on the internet! -XKCD

  2. #92
    Resident Martian ;)
    PirateMk1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    California
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:54 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Private
    Posts
    9,925

    Re: Should we eliminate taxes that tax you for the right to own property?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I agree...for the most part. We still have decades to compare to we can also compare with tax policies to other countries. Conservatives point to Sweden and I agree with the fact that Sweden lowering their top rate from something like 90% to 75% increased revenue. At the extreme yes it can make an impact. At the same time we can point to nations like Germany with higher rates who are definately competitive with the US when it comes to growth. I have no problem with people arguing over tax policy. That's how we should determine tax policy...through debate over the merits and costs over changes to the tax code. My issue is this crazy idea that lower taxes have this massive upside (spur economic growth) and no downside (lower taxes offset by that growth). That's just wrong. It's a faulty "have your cake and eat" it view.





    I do agree that differnt measures are more effective in different situations. I hold the view of the President...that tax cuts have become the cure all to the right. The problem with the rights "cure all" is it's not even related to the symptoms. We have a demand problem not a capital investment problem. Tax cuts for the middle class have an impact but there's not companies out there starving for capital.

    As for a stimulus...there are times a stimulus wouldn't be beneficial. The thing is economist on the left agree with that.
    Our problem is not so much the tax rates which are a problem, and tax inequality which is also a problem, but tax rate and application instability, this along with same problems in regulation is what is hinder our growth badly. Things keep CHANGING with the back and forth from both parties and you really cant plan that far in advance anymore. Right now the oilfields are shutting down rigs where I am at in anticpation of the elections. Oil is at a relitive high point they shouldnt be shutting down but they are.
    Semper Fidelis, Semper Liber.
    I spit at lots of people through my computer screen. Not only does it "teach them a lesson" but it keeps the screen clean and shiny.
    Stolen fair and square from the Capt. Courtesey himself.

  3. #93
    Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Last Seen
    01-27-15 @ 11:37 AM
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    8,247

    Re: Should we eliminate taxes that tax you for the right to own property?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If you want to play dueling wikipedia citations, here is this one which YOUR OWN LINK provided for me right at the start of the article you cited:

    Common good - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    As fascinating as that is, how does that have anything to do with my statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    I would definitely agree with changing things in my own state to reduce the cost of state government. Since schooling is not (economically speaking) a public good, I would certainly get behind the idea of education being provided by the private sector, rather than through state socialism.

  4. #94
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 11:31 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    89,935

    Re: Should we eliminate taxes that tax you for the right to own property?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    As fascinating as that is, how does that have anything to do with my statement?
    It shows that defining a public good in that way is ridiculous.
    __________________________________________________ _
    There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.... John Rogers

  5. #95
    Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Last Seen
    01-27-15 @ 11:37 AM
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    8,247

    Re: Should we eliminate taxes that tax you for the right to own property?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It shows that defining a public good in that way is ridiculous.
    You keep switching back and forth between using the terms "public good" and "common good". As I have pointed out, economists have a precise definition of goods that are considered public goods, namely that they are non-rivalrous and non-excludable. The term "common good" means something else entirely, and has nothing to do with my initial point.

    My point was that education, being a good that is both non-rivalrous and non-exludable, can be provided on the market without risk of market failure. Thus, in my opinion, it should be provided on the market, since economists generally agree that, in the absence of market failure, the market provides the highest quality at the lowest cost.

  6. #96
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 11:31 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    89,935

    Re: Should we eliminate taxes that tax you for the right to own property?

    And I have pointed out that to define a term like PUBLIC GOOD in that way is ridiculous as it is misleading in the extreme.

    We as a people long ago have decided that there are certain functions that we want handled by the public sector where the common good is the priority and remove them from the profit motive which rules the day in the private sector.
    __________________________________________________ _
    There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.... John Rogers

  7. #97
    Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Last Seen
    01-27-15 @ 11:37 AM
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    8,247

    Re: Should we eliminate taxes that tax you for the right to own property?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And I have pointed out that to define a term like PUBLIC GOOD in that way is ridiculous as it is misleading in the extreme.
    And I have pointed out that if you don't like the way economists define a public good, then you'll have to take that up with the professors at your local university.

    We as a people long ago have decided that there are certain functions that we want handled by the public sector where the common good is the priority and remove them from the profit motive which rules the day in the private sector.
    Yes, I realize that this decision was made and why it was made. However, I am advocating that in my state we abandon socialized education, as state socialism has generally proven to fail miserably when compared to private production.

    Likewise, I encourage you, and your fellow citizens, to enact whatever policies you deem best for the people of your state.

  8. #98
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 11:31 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    89,935

    Re: Should we eliminate taxes that tax you for the right to own property?

    There is nothing to take up with these nameless anonymous professors. This twisted so called defintion of the public good bears not true resemblance to anything the American people know as the public or common good.
    __________________________________________________ _
    There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.... John Rogers

  9. #99
    Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Last Seen
    01-27-15 @ 11:37 AM
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    8,247

    Re: Should we eliminate taxes that tax you for the right to own property?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    There is nothing to take up with these nameless anonymous professors. This twisted so called defintion of the public good bears not true resemblance to anything the American people know as the public or common good.
    I'm sorry you are so ignorant regarding economics, but that is your problem not my problem.

    Since your ignorance causes you to be uncomfortable with my use of the economic term "public good", I will revise my original statement and we can move on:

    "I would definitely agree with changing things in my own state to reduce the cost of state government. Since schooling is non-rivalrous and non-excludable and hence is not subject to market failure, I would certainly get behind the idea of education being provided by the private sector, rather than through state socialism."

  10. #100
    Pontificator
    iliveonramen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    On a Gravy Train with Biscuit Wheels
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:28 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    9,207

    Re: Should we eliminate taxes that tax you for the right to own property?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Our problem is not so much the tax rates which are a problem, and tax inequality which is also a problem, but tax rate and application instability, this along with same problems in regulation is what is hinder our growth badly. Things keep CHANGING with the back and forth from both parties and you really cant plan that far in advance anymore. Right now the oilfields are shutting down rigs where I am at in anticpation of the elections. Oil is at a relitive high point they shouldnt be shutting down but they are.
    I can agree with that to a certain extent. Sure consistency is important. Why are they shutting down the rigs? It's not like oil isn't profitable.
    “Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.” John Maynard Keynes

Page 10 of 11 FirstFirst ... 891011 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •