View Poll Results: Why are today's poor more miserable?

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  • Because they don't have all their needs met.

    8 16.67%
  • Because advertising constantly reminds them of what they can't afford.

    16 33.33%
  • Because the rich are too rich!!

    7 14.58%
  • Because they (the poor) no longer farm.

    5 10.42%
  • Because they are no longer needed for manufacturing.

    4 8.33%
  • Because they're packed into cities.

    8 16.67%
  • Because welfare breeds dependence and thus resentment.

    20 41.67%
  • N/A - the poor have always been pretty equally miserable.

    12 25.00%
  • Other (explain)

    15 31.25%
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Thread: Why are today's poor (U.S.) more miserable than a century + ago?

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    Re: Why are today's poor (U.S.) more miserable than a century + ago?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    What is wrong with Mexico?
    90% of the wealth in the hands of a couple percent of the population.

    Sure are a lot of people risking their lives to get out.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
    The Psychology of Persuasion

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    Re: Why are today's poor (U.S.) more miserable than a century + ago?

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    90% of the wealth in the hands of a couple percent of the population.
    You got a link for that? I don't mean the looneytunes.com or the like.

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    Re: Why are today's poor (U.S.) more miserable than a century + ago?

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    90% of the wealth in the hands of a couple percent of the population.

    Sure are a lot of people risking their lives to get out.
    People in Mexico are just like anywhere else.

    They work their jobs and take care of their families.

    Sure there are poor, just like in the US but that is their choice.

    If you have no house, and live out in the middle of nowhere, why have 5 or 6 children?

    As for the people "risking their lives to get out", those are the losers that can't do anything for themselves. The US can have them. Mexico is better off without them. If they put the same effort into working in Mexico that they do leaving, they would be able to take care fo their family just as well as any job they can find inthe US.

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    Re: Why are today's poor (U.S.) more miserable than a century + ago?

    great thread topic, Malthus.

    Being impoverished in North America is not being poor by any measure. I have to agree with how many of the questions were phrased: we have created a culture of entitlement and dependance. Another really important factor is urbanization. If you are "poor" in a very dense urban core neighbourhood, you have nothing around you but more people who have built a microeconomic and cultural system around welfare and crime, so what else do you expect them to know? A poor person in a small community is fully exposed to others of different situation and aspirations and has other role models to emulate. Add to that: there is a considerable "industry" built up around the entitled, and it serves itself very well by measuring and promoting more government participation in what puts bread on THEIR table.

    BTW: the number is now 47 million on food stamps. That is a long way beyond inner city ghettos. The only "recovery" has been on Wall Street, not Main Street - and there are precious few inside of the Beltway who seem to give a damn.

    To reply to the OP: what we need to do is to go back to work and give some impetus to get OFF of entitlements (I like the idea of negative flat tax to give a nice pathway out of the 'hood).
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    Re: Why are today's poor (U.S.) more miserable than a century + ago?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    You think poor people wait 5 to 10 years to buy, sorry not buy but get, the latest technology?

    Please go out on the street and see how many "poor people" are driving cars all dolled up with rims and stereos and have the latest phones.
    Those arenít poor people those are people that are living the dream. I havenít worked in a year and I have a new lap top and high speed internet. I also just ate stake for lunch. What a horrible system we live in.
    (Iím joining the army because I donít want to continue to be a moocher)
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    Re: Why are today's poor (U.S.) more miserable than a century + ago?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Do you actually have any evidence of this?
    No. It's posed this way to generate thought and discussion, not to prove a claim or opinion.

    The poor a century ago didn't have cars,air conditioning, heating, refrigeration, food stamps, welfare, good public education, cellphones with government life line services,TVs, and many other things.
    Nor were they aware that they lacked these things, because these things did not exist. We're not pouting today that we don't all have our own personal robot that does all our chores for us, because they largely do not exist. Maybe this speaks to why (I'm presuming) the poor today are more miserable (psychologically, I mean) despite their increased standard of living, than they were a long time ago.

    People in other countries must be screaming that is not poor. Your idea of miserable must be different than ours
    State of mind vs. standard of living. I'm taking about state of mind. A middle class person can be psychologically tortured about his/her normal life, and a person in poverty can be happy-go-lucky and at peace with his/her surroundings. When I said "miserable" I was not implying "worse living conditions."

    I think it's a fair generalization that the poor today are more psychologically distressed about it than the poor a century ago were, and I'm asking why.
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    Re: Why are today's poor (U.S.) more miserable than a century + ago?

    Quote Originally Posted by comedy4all View Post
    I also just ate stake for lunch.
    !!! Yikes. Stake?





    (I’m joining the army because I don’t want to continue to be a moocher)
    That is one of the employers of last resort, for a lot of folks, and has been in virtually every society for millennia. So much money is spent there, they can find something for us to do. Not really being sarcastic either.

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    Re: Why are today's poor (U.S.) more miserable than a century + ago?

    Quote Originally Posted by comedy4all View Post
    The poor in the USA are so well off that they live the lives of the middle class in other countries. The poor are spoiled and have distain for those that have more than they do.
    They simply donít do what will get them out of poverty. If they have time to organize and demand someone remove them from poverty than they have the time to do it themselves.
    From walking the streets in Washington DC, which to be Frank were quite horrific, I do not believe the poor are any better off in the USA. Infact I would say it is better to be poor in any other first world industrialised country than the USA.

    Most people in poverty feel ashamed, the lack of human empathy shown for such people is disturbing to say the least.

    I think it's one of those 'until it happens to you' sort of things for most people sadly.
    (I was trying to find the interview where they were forced to eat rats but it's been pulled)


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    Re: Why are today's poor (U.S.) more miserable than a century + ago?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joechilli View Post
    From walking the streets in Washington DC, which to be Frank were quite horrific, I do not believe the poor are any better off in the USA. Infact I would say it is better to be poor in any other first world industrialised country than the USA.

    Most people in poverty feel ashamed, the lack of human empathy shown for such people is disturbing to say the least.

    I think it's one of those 'until it happens to you' sort of things for most people sadly.
    (I was trying to find the interview where they were forced to eat rats but it's been pulled)


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    Joe, the only American I've ever heard of who ate rat's have been in "survivor" reality shows. Idiocy of claims is not a very conducive argument. Today I heard that the top 2% have 90% of the country's wealth. Idiotic hyperbole is not a very convincing argument - then I suppose it is not so if you are trying to convince those who are not equally as idiotic.

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    Re: Why are today's poor (U.S.) more miserable than a century + ago?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Do you actually have any evidence of this? The poor a century ago didn't have cars,air conditioning, heating, refrigeration, food stamps, welfare, good public education, cellphones with government life line services,TVs, and many other things.People in other countries must be screaming that is not poor. Your idea of miserable must be different than ours
    I would just like to say for the record that public schools in poor neighborhoods are absolutely terrible, and AC and your car are the first things to go when you're broke, so obviously you don't know much about being poor.

    But secondly, you've just named a bunch of items that have nothing to do with quality of life.

    What good does it do you to have some old TV if you can't afford to get a rotten tooth treated?

    What good does it do to have welfare if you can't qualify for any one of dozens of bogus reasons (being single, for example)?

    What good does it do you to have a cell phone if all the damn thing ever does is remind you that you don't have rent this month?

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