View Poll Results: Why are today's poor more miserable?

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  • Because they don't have all their needs met.

    8 16.67%
  • Because advertising constantly reminds them of what they can't afford.

    16 33.33%
  • Because the rich are too rich!!

    7 14.58%
  • Because they (the poor) no longer farm.

    5 10.42%
  • Because they are no longer needed for manufacturing.

    4 8.33%
  • Because they're packed into cities.

    8 16.67%
  • Because welfare breeds dependence and thus resentment.

    20 41.67%
  • N/A - the poor have always been pretty equally miserable.

    12 25.00%
  • Other (explain)

    15 31.25%
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Thread: Why are today's poor (U.S.) more miserable than a century + ago?

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    Re: Why are today's poor (U.S.) more miserable than a century + ago?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Hahahaha... WHAT?



    These are the poor a century ago. Dying from diarrhea, no job prospects, discriminated against, resorting to prostitution is not an option but a necessity. How... the hell are the poor today more miserable today than a century ago?
    This is because they settled in a city. Those who went out to the countryside could feed themselves from the land, build shelter and even homestead. There were no licenses to build or fish or hunt and there was still much open wilderness.

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    Re: Why are today's poor (U.S.) more miserable than a century + ago?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yes but it's harder to achieve much of anything if you don't have an education, you're constantly sick, and you're worried about where your next meal is coming from.
    Plenty of money is being spent on education.
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    Re: Why are today's poor (U.S.) more miserable than a century + ago?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Plenty of money is being spent on education.
    Money is not the problem with education. As you say, we spend plenty.
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    Re: Why are today's poor (U.S.) more miserable than a century + ago?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yes but it's harder to achieve much of anything if you don't have an education, you're constantly sick, and you're worried about where your next meal is coming from.
    If those things happen than the person is mentally deficient.
    They either get a job or mooch off of the government or charity organizations. If you live in this country and you don't have an education, you're constantly sick, and you're worried about where your next meal is coming from, you get taken care of.
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    Re: Why are today's poor (U.S.) more miserable than a century + ago?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Maybe they aren't then. But if they're not, it's sure been made to seem like they are. How many times have we been reminded (by liberals) that "the poor are getting poorer"? I'm constantly reading sob story after sob story about the nation's poor. "And then he got sick and lost his job and so he didn't have insurance and had huge doctor bills and oh my goodness it's JUST NOT FAIR!" Of course it's not. Never has been, never will be. It sucks hardcore. But anyway, what are we to assume about the misery-level of the nation's poor with all these constant bleating reminders about the poor getting worse off and worse off, but to presume that people weren't so upset about it all back then?



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    Well put.
    I think that is the point right there.

    We hear stories about "the poor" being miserable or not having this or that but we don't hear much from the people themselves.

    We are told what to think about it, which is the authors point of view, and not the real story.

    I also think the line in which people say divides the poor from the middle class has moved a long way in the past 100 years.

    If poor people had 10% of the stuff and opportunities 100 years ago that "the poor" have today, they would have been rich.

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    Re: Why are today's poor (U.S.) more miserable than a century + ago?

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    NOBODY had those things 100 years ago.

    Except heat. EVERYBODY'S had that for a long time.
    I am pretty sure actual poor people in other countries do not have not have those things either.
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    Re: Why are today's poor (U.S.) more miserable than a century + ago?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joechilli View Post
    #1) In 1950, the ratio of the average executive's paycheck to the average worker's paycheck was about 30 to 1.* Since the year 2000, that*ratio has*exploded to*between 300 to 500 to one.

    #2) A*USA Today analysis of government data has found that paychecks from private business shrank to their smallest share of personal income in U.S. history during the first quarter of 2010.* During the same time period, government benefits (Social Security, Medicare, unemployment insurance, food stamps, etc.)*rose to a record high.*

    #3) According to the United Nations, the United States now*has the highest level of income inequality of all of the highly industrialized nations.

    #4) Four of the biggest banks in the United States*(Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America and Citigroup)*had a "perfect quarter" with zero days of trading losses during the first quarter of 2010.

    #5) According to economists Thomas Piketty and Emmanuel Saez, two-thirds of income increases in the United States between 2002 and 2007 went to the wealthiest 1% of all*Americans.

    #6) 39.68 million Americans*are now on food stamps, which represents a new all-time record.* But things look like they are going to get even worse.* The U.S. Department of Agriculture*is forecasting*that enrollment in the food stamp program will exceed 43 million Americans in 2011.

    #7) For the first time in*U.S. history,*banks own a greater share of residential housing net worth in the United States than all individual Americans put together.

    #8) Over*just one three day period, approximately 10,000 people showed up to apply for just 90 jobs making washing machines in Kentucky for $27,000 a year.

    #9) Executives at many of the*big banks*that received*massive amounts of government bailout money during the*financial crisis*are being lavished with record bonuses*as millions of other*Americans continue to suffer.

    #10) Younger generations of Americans are particularly struggling.* For example, according to*a National Foundation for Credit Counseling survey, only 58% of those in "Generation Y"*pay their monthly bills on time.

    #11) Despite the financial crisis, the number of millionaires in the United States rose a whopping 16 percent to 7.8 million in 2009.

    #12) Over 1.4 million Americans filed for personal bankruptcy in 2009, which represented*a 32 percent increase over 2008.* Not only that, more Americans filed for bankruptcy*in March 2010*than during any month since U.S. bankruptcy law was tightened in October 2005.

    #13) An analysis of income tax data by the Congressional Budget Office a*couple years*ago found that the top 1%*wealthiest households in the United States now*own nearly twice as much of the corporate wealth*as they did just 15 years ago.

    #14) A staggering 43 percent of Americans have less than $10,000 saved up for retirement.

    #15) Once great blue collar manufacturing cities such as Detroit have turned into rusted-out war zones*while corporate executives rake in record bonuses by moving factories to third world nations.

    #16) The bottom 40 percent of*income earners*in the United States now collectively own less than 1 percent*of the nationís wealth.* So what does that say about America when nearly half the people are dividing up just one percent of the pie?

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    16 Signs That The Rich Are Getting Richer And The Poor Are Getting Poorer
    What does any of this have to do with the question inthe OP?

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    Re: Why are today's poor (U.S.) more miserable than a century + ago?

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Kind of a trick response, but i think that todays.poor feel left out because si ce about 1980 they have been.

    From the fifties to the eighties, the lowest fifth was actuall seeing their lot improve MORE than the upper 80%.

    For more than thirty years they have stagnated or lost ground.

    They're competing with $2 a day labor in a country with $500 rents.

    So maybe not miserable so much as hopeless. Which i guess could make one miserable.

    And i'm sure there were some at aome point who claimed the poor weren't poor because they had indoor plumbing.

    "Better than elsewhere" is the ultimate slippery slope.

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    Re: Why are today's poor (U.S.) more miserable than a century + ago?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    I think that is the point right there.

    We hear stories about "the poor" being miserable or not having this or that but we don't hear much from the people themselves.

    We are told what to think about it, which is the authors point of view, and not the real story.

    I also think the line in which people say divides the poor from the middle class has moved a long way in the past 100 years.

    If poor people had 10% of the stuff and opportunities 100 years ago that "the poor" have today, they would have been rich.
    Think about it; the poor get it five to ten years later. DVD players used to be expensive, now you can get one for $20. Color TV used to be for rich people, now poor people have at least one if not more.
    The poor in this country live better than kings 100 years ago.
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    Re: Why are today's poor (U.S.) more miserable than a century + ago?

    Quote Originally Posted by comedy4all View Post
    Think about it; the poor get it five to ten years later. DVD players used to be expensive, now you can get one for $20. Color TV used to be for rich people, now poor people have at least one if not more.
    The poor in this country live better than kings 100 years ago.
    You think poor people wait 5 to 10 years to buy, sorry not buy but get, the latest technology?

    Please go out on the street and see how many "poor people" are driving cars all dolled up with rims and stereos and have the latest phones.

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