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End of the Republican Party?

Is the republican party dead?

  • Yes, it has been for some time.

    Votes: 1 2.9%

  • Yes, it will be all in good time.

    Votes: 5 14.7%

  • No, it is just going through a rough patch right now.

    Votes: 15 44.1%

  • No, it is doing just fine.

    Votes: 13 38.2%
  • Total voters
    34
cpwill said:
:) and the recall victory in wisconsin. Wish I had the power to flip to them at key points, but AFN controls who you watch, when.
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I should have know better than to believe everything I hear but I admit, I didn't think Walker had a chance. If I had known, I'd have watched MSNBC that night too.
 
i was really hoping to get a tear out of ole Big Eddie.
 
We muttered the same thing after 1968, 1980, 2000 for the Democrats. That too was not true and overblown.

The Republican Party is doing just fine.
 
OnWisconsin said:
HAh said the conservative who's current party blames the president for EVERYTHING, even though the president isn't the one who creates legislation in this country...
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Welcome to politics.
 
Fiddytree said:
We muttered the same thing after 1968, 1980, 2000 for the Democrats. That too was not true and overblown.

The Republican Party is doing just fine.
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You left out 2004...but your point is spot on! It has always amazed me how incredibly short the memory of the electorate/public is.
 
OnWisconsin said:
HAh said the conservative who's current party blames the president for EVERYTHING, even though the president isn't the one who creates legislation in this country...
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So I can presume you don’t blame Bush…right?
 
OnWisconsin said:
HAh said the conservative who's current party blames the president for EVERYTHING, even though the president isn't the one who creates legislation in this country...
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LOL!!!

Obama has succeeded in creating a LOT of crappy legislation. For that he deserves ALL the blame. God knows the rest of his Democratic Party hasn't done squat that he hasn't told them to do.
 
OnWisconsin said:
It seems as though this party hasn't had a legitimate candidate for presidency since Bush Sr.

You've had Bob Dole, Bush Jr. and now Romney. If these are the best the republican party can come up with, it seems to me it is on its deathbed.
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Absolutely not. For one thing the Republicans will have control of the House after the election. And if Obama wins reelection, they will probably have control of the Senate in 2014 too. People claim that one party is dying after every Presidential election, but their always wrong.
 
No!! its not dead and these claims that the Dem party is dead now its the GOP is dead are just silly. What is dead about the republican party is the far right agenda...its the same when they said it was the end of the dem party...it was the end of the far left agenda.
American is not either conservative no progressive they are MODERATE and reasonable for the most part. I believed from the day this far right thing gripped the GOP that it would be a fail.

Know what the real shame of all this is to me...WE NEED REFORMS badly and If the Republicans would have just stopped being far right idiots for a few minutes we might have gotten a decent compromise through and made some damn progress...simpson boles variation but at least something going in the right direction...but all they did was stonewall and act like far right nutters JUST LIKE PELOSI and her crew acted like far left nutters and got thrown out of the house...Get it right WE NEED moderation and compromise and nothing less is going to work
 
The GOP will do what the Democrats did at the end of Segregation, change their platform to change with the times. Their stance on things like gay marriage, church and state, and immigration will almost certainly have to change within the next two decades to keep up with changing demographics. However, politicians win by listening to the constituents, and the GOP will do this if it means victory.
 
lpast said:
No!! its not dead and these claims that the Dem party is dead now its the GOP is dead are just silly. What is dead about the republican party is the far right agenda...its the same when they said it was the end of the dem party...it was the end of the far left agenda.
American is not either conservative no progressive they are MODERATE and reasonable for the most part. I believed from the day this far right thing gripped the GOP that it would be a fail.

Know what the real shame of all this is to me...WE NEED REFORMS badly and If the Republicans would have just stopped being far right idiots for a few minutes we might have gotten a decent compromise through and made some damn progress...simpson boles variation but at least something going in the right direction...but all they did was stonewall and act like far right nutters JUST LIKE PELOSI and her crew acted like far left nutters and got thrown out of the house...Get it right WE NEED moderation and compromise and nothing less is going to work
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The competition of narratives, seems to me, stems from a complete lack of satisfaction with politics and the American government, a dissatisfaction I do not share. For the longest time we have heard the two canards of bi-partisanship at the same time that we heard the canards for "clear cut choices."

Moderate action is seen as a crutch for both party bases, even though both parties need to rely upon the moderates to make headway. Both want the "real" representatives of their ideologies to step up, and call any who do not fall in line in all matters as fakes.

Moderates/Independents are deeply unsatisfied with politics as a mechanism because it is supposedly soulless and lacking in common sense, though they cannot note how much can go better otherwise. They pull up the moderates as the real soul of the American public, desiring their own opposition force to both parties. I'm not so convinced.
 
Fiddytree said:
The competition of narratives, seems to me, stems from a complete lack of satisfaction with politics and the American government, a dissatisfaction I do not share. For the longest time we have heard the two canards of bi-partisanship at the same time that we heard the canards for "clear cut choices."

Moderate action is seen as a crutch for both party bases, even though both parties need to rely upon the moderates to make headway. Both want the "real" representatives of their ideologies to step up, and call any who do not fall in line in all matters as fakes.

Moderates/Independents are deeply unsatisfied with politics as a mechanism because it is supposedly soulless and lacking in common sense, though they cannot note how much can go better otherwise. They pull up the moderates as the real soul of the American public, desiring their own opposition force to both parties. I'm not so convinced.
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Perfect analysis Fiddy :)...but in the end the only way anything gets done is through compromise.
 
The republican party I used to identify with is long gone. The demise started around the Gergrich/Starr era.

This new GOP should not last much longer. Soon, I'm certain a "new and improved" GOP will surface much to the dismay of the tea party/Limbaugh types. And out of the ashes a new, stronger GOP will emerge.

We just have to do a little house cleaning and retake and redefine what "conservatism" actually supposed to mean and kick these teabag whackos to the curb.
 
I have come to the opinion that 'true' conservative or liberal exists in classrooms and think tanks. Neither are resilient enough to exist in the real world.

I would not count the GOP out, after WWII and the Republicans smarting from their isolationism dropping them on the wrong side of history. They did come back by demanding to know who 'lost' china and commie hunting here in the states. Future leaders like Reagan and Nixon made their bones by hunting commies.

Besides angry old white men will always have a place in American politics... ;)
 
Mycroft said:
Perhaps the fact that there was a Democratic House and Senate during Bush's second term has something to do with that disaster?
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If only you could be more specific on what bills they passed and that Bush signed. Then we could have more reasons to blame Bush.
 
H. Lee White said:
I'd very much like to hear your re-defintion, and how said re-definition is what it 'actually" means.
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Its not a redefinition its what the republican party was and should be...I was a republican for 43 yrs and the teaparty so turned me off that I left and am now a registered independent....the republican party was never for just the rich and against everything for everyone else
 
H. Lee White said:
I -would- list the FY2009 budget, but Obama signed that.
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Bush just wrote and proposed it so he gets a pass?

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iguanaman said:
Bush just wrote and proposed it so he gets a pass?
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Congress passed it, after considerable modification.
Obama signed it.
Whatever blame you want to assign GWB for its submission, to remain honest, you must heap several orders of magnitude more of it on Congress and Obama.
So tell me:
How much do you blame Bush for FY2009?
 
lpast said:
Its not a redefinition its what the republican party was and should be...I was a republican for 43 yrs and the teaparty so turned me off that I left and am now a registered independent....the republican party was never for just the rich and against everything for everyone else
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Ditto. Same here.

But I believe as soon as the GOP alienates these albatross ideologues it will resurface again to be what it used to be. I look forward to that day.
 
Tigger said:
It's not so much on its deathbed as it is preparing to split into two or three different entities.
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agreed. I don't see the majority of moderate Republicans going Democratic. Not sure who will fire the first shots, but I see the tea party not being in the party much longer.
 
Captain America said:
Ditto. Same here.
But I believe as soon as the GOP alienates these albatross ideologues it will resurface again to be what it used to be. I look forward to that day.
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OK, but...
I'd very much like to hear your re-defintion of "conservativism", and how said re-definition is what it 'actually" means.
The GOP is a political party, not in ideology, and like the Democratis Party, has a broad range of people with a broad range of vews.
 
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