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End of the Republican Party?

Is the republican party dead?

  • Yes, it has been for some time.

    Votes: 1 2.9%
  • Yes, it will be all in good time.

    Votes: 5 14.7%
  • No, it is just going through a rough patch right now.

    Votes: 15 44.1%
  • No, it is doing just fine.

    Votes: 13 38.2%

  • Total voters
    34
So, I guess that some of the blame for what you see as Obama's failure must be laid at the door of a 50-seat GOP majority in the House, right?

Perhaps you should read the rest of the thread before you comment. Then you'll know what I'm talking about...during which there wasn't a 50 seat GOP majority.
 
Political parties never really die. Even in the rare cases that the brand dies, the voters will just migrate to some other brand. However, I think that the current incarnation of the GOP - which has alienated the vast majority of nonwhite voters - is a political loser in the long term. I predict that the Republican Party will eventually come to terms with this and moderate some of its views (especially on racially charged issues), thus ensuring its own survival.
 
Political parties never really die. Even in the rare cases that the brand dies, the voters will just migrate to some other brand. However, I think that the current incarnation of the GOP - which has alienated the vast majority of nonwhite voters - is a political loser in the long term. I predict that the Republican Party will eventually come to terms with this and moderate some of its views (especially on racially charged issues), thus ensuring its own survival.

We're trying but a little clumsy at it. On one hand you have serious efforts to reach blacks and Latinos at official levels. Then you have the selection Michael Steele, the first RNC black Chairman publicly slammed by the most visible Republican voices as unqualified to lead and only given the job because he's black FROM DAY ONE before he even had the opportunity to serve followed by a drop in GOP donations. This as well as others such as the AZ catch and release Hispanics law, etc. Ironic being the GOP was founded in large part to end racial discrimination in America and to stand up to the then racist Democrats who even operated their own terrorism wing.
 
What, the liberal's "fuddy duddy" President? The one that liberals thought wasn't doing enough to stop McCarthy, not being liberal enough to further FDR's goals?

Yeah, I'll believe that.

Contemporary liberals found a decent man in Eisenhower because of a couple of his speeches (one of which coincidentally coincides with ahistorical commentary about the War in Iraq, wink wink nudge nudge). It's a disingenuous crock to make us think they would have gunned for a man like Ike in their ranks. It's presentist nonsense with all of the cherry picking you could dream of.

are you seriously taking my quote and applying it to what all liberals think or could you for just one moment assume that maybe I am not like all liberals? I was stating what "I" would be, not what the rest of the liberals out there would be.
 
It seems as though this party hasn't had a legitimate candidate for presidency since Bush Sr.

You've had Bob Dole, Bush Jr. and now Romney. If these are the best the republican party can come up with, it seems to me it is on its deathbed.

Just wishful thinking by a Liberal.
 
It seems as though this party hasn't had a legitimate candidate for presidency since Bush Sr.

You've had Bob Dole, Bush Jr. and now Romney. If these are the best the republican party can come up with, it seems to me it is on its deathbed.

Its amazing how you can discount GWB who was elected twice....
 
If Obama wins again, we will be discussing the passing of the Democrat party in about two years.
 
Just wishful thinking by a Liberal.

I dunno, NP. It could be curtains for social conservatives. Looks like a libertarian vs. socialist future to me.
 
What, the liberal's "fuddy duddy" President? The one that liberals thought wasn't doing enough to stop McCarthy, not being liberal enough to further FDR's goals?

Yeah, I'll believe that.

Contemporary liberals found a decent man in Eisenhower because of a couple of his speeches (one of which coincidentally coincides with ahistorical commentary about the War in Iraq, wink wink nudge nudge). It's a disingenuous crock to make us think they would have gunned for a man like Ike in their ranks. It's presentist nonsense with all of the cherry picking you could dream of.

In many ways, Eisenhower was to the left of Obama.
 
How do you Republicans ever expect to win another Presidential election once Texas becomes a swing state in the near future?

Not until around 2030 by my calculations, even increasing Hispanic turnout by about 10% as they become more affluent and likely to vote. Still, as Texas and Arizona become swing states either some other states will become more conservative or the GOP will change its platform (hopefully on social issues) in order to remain competitive.
 
Not until around 2030 by my calculations, even increasing Hispanic turnout by about 10% as they become more affluent and likely to vote. Still, as Texas and Arizona become swing states either some other states will become more conservative or the GOP will change its platform (hopefully on social issues) in order to remain competitive.

Many experts disagree with you. Most of the ones I have read predict Texas will be a full swing state by the 2020 election. Some predict even as soon as 2016. Same for Arizona as well. The West and the Southwest are becoming more and more blue.

Just curious....which blue states do you see becoming more conservative?

I do agree with you that the GOP will likely come around and boot the radical right to the curb after losing in 2012 and 2016.
 
Many experts disagree with you. Most of the ones I have read predict Texas will be a full swing state by the 2020 election. Some predict even as soon as 2016. Same for Arizona as well. The West and the Southwest are becoming more and more blue.

Just curious....which blue states do you see becoming more conservative?

I do agree with you that the GOP will likely come around and boot the radical right to the curb after losing in 2012 and 2016.

Well using the future demographic trends here (Exhibit 8 - Texas Population Growth, 1980 to 2040), increasing the Hispanic turnout by 10% and using the same voting percentages from the '08 election Texas becomes a true swing state in about 2030. I guess a strong Democrat who wins the popular vote by 5-6% might win it in 2020 but there's no way it's a swing state in 2016 unless there is a massive increase in Hispanic turnout.
 
Just curious....which blue states do you see becoming more conservative?

Well, like I said, I'm not positive that any will with the current social issues of the GOP turning off a lot of voters who might agree with them on other issues. But I do see potential in states like New Hampshire and Connecticut where people are becoming more affluent, although I think they are the most turned off by social issues. I also see the Upper Midwest of Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin becoming marginally more conservative. Until '08, Wisconsin and Minnesota were trending redder and I think that trend might continue.
 
I mean....George W. won twice, so it would seem he was a legitimate candidate, even if he was a poor president.

On the democratic side, it's not like John Kerry, John Edwards, Howard Dean, and Al Gore were all that impressive either.
 
Well, like I said, I'm not positive that any will with the current social issues of the GOP turning off a lot of voters who might agree with them on other issues. But I do see potential in states like New Hampshire and Connecticut where people are becoming more affluent, although I think they are the most turned off by social issues. I also see the Upper Midwest of Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin becoming marginally more conservative. Until '08, Wisconsin and Minnesota were trending redder and I think that trend might continue.

Interesting take. Both Minn/Wisc are pretty blue. I'm not so sure I see them trending swing. Iowa on the other hand has always been on the fence. Light blue but definitely could be a swinger, same for New Hampshire. Connecticut on the otherhand is going to remain blue for quite a long time.
 
Interesting take. Both Minn/Wisc are pretty blue. I'm not so sure I see them trending swing. Iowa on the other hand has always been on the fence. Light blue but definitely could be a swinger, same for New Hampshire. Connecticut on the otherhand is going to remain blue for quite a long time.

In 2000 and 2004 which were relatively even elections Gore and Kerry only won Minnesota by a few points and Wisconsin by less than one. And Bill Clinton won both of them by about the same percentage that he won the popular vote in 92 and 96, although Perot might messed things up there. They have been holding bluer than I would expect this year though, so maybe they are starting to shift back.
 
It seems as though this party hasn't had a legitimate candidate for presidency since Bush Sr.

You've had Bob Dole, Bush Jr. and now Romney. If these are the best the republican party can come up with, it seems to me it is on its deathbed.

Something dies when people stop supporting it.

I'd agree they haven't had a compelling candidate in what seems like forever, but they clearly aren't dead. Bush Jr won -- twice -- and no matter how pitifully unfit the candidate, they still get a large minority of the vote.

The Republican party is alive and kicking. It just happens to be losing its marbles.
 
It seems as though this party hasn't had a legitimate candidate for presidency since Bush Sr.

You've had Bob Dole, Bush Jr. and now Romney. If these are the best the republican party can come up with, it seems to me it is on its deathbed.
If it doesn’t live up to its promises than I think it will die. Slowly more and more people will vote for a third party. They will not vote for the democrats.
 
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