View Poll Results: Is the republican party dead?

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  • Yes, it has been for some time.

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  • Yes, it will be all in good time.

    7 17.07%
  • No, it is just going through a rough patch right now.

    15 36.59%
  • No, it is doing just fine.

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Thread: End of the Republican Party?

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    Re: End of the Republican Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Ditto. Same here.

    But I believe as soon as the GOP alienates these albatross ideologues it will resurface again to be what it used to be. I look forward to that day.

    We'll see right

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    Re: End of the Republican Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Ditto. Same here.

    But I believe as soon as the GOP alienates these albatross ideologues it will resurface again to be what it used to be. I look forward to that day.
    What was this mythological GOP you speak of, and why does this projection of "the good old days" keep changing with each reiteration of the Party platform and surge in internal polling? It wasn't long ago I was hearing the desire for fiscal responsibility to be the main message, and the romanticism of Ron Paul. Now that that is the broad-based message (and we can quibble about many specific details), suddenly the good old days refer to a lack of populism and hardcore principles.

    Look, from my perspective, the whole thing is a crock. You find me someone who romanticizes the past GOP, and I'll show you someone who doesn't recall that those tendencies (both loved and despised) have long-since existed and were integral parts of the conservative dilemma. For some reason we think that religion sprung up out of nowhere in the 1970s and took over the Party. Somewhere along the line we think that ideologues of the current could not match the prudence and compromising natures of their forefathers. It's a bunch of crap. Your previous generations were the same pig-headed, religiously inspired, small-government narrow-minded, "Liberal Republican"/RINOs, war hawkin', civil liberties hatin', corporation worshiping, ideologically-driven, uncompromising jerks you think rule this place now. What changed were the details and the balance of power within the Party platform. There were moments where Barry Goldwater was making head ways, and moments where Rockefeller was more influential. Yet, both were influential in the Party's structure, both represented a given set of tendencies.

    John Adams discovered that his political foes were both the other Party and members of the Federalist Party who were influenced by Hamilton. Two wings, one Party.

    There was no "good ol' days." The only people that get serviced from that romantic foolishness are the ones temporarily with less influence and those from the other Party who stand everything to gain by making their current foes look like fallen angels.
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    Re: End of the Republican Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yeah, they said that in 2008 too....
    Said it in 2004 also.

    I always find it amusing when one side or the other claims that the opposite party is in its "deathbed" or some variation thereof. Its nothing more than partisan hackery.
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    Re: End of the Republican Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    It seems as though this party hasn't had a legitimate candidate for presidency since Bush Sr.

    You've had Bob Dole, Bush Jr. and now Romney. If these are the best the republican party can come up with, it seems to me it is on its deathbed.

    Did you forget that the majority of American voters put "Bush Jr." in the White House for 2 terms?

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    Re: End of the Republican Party?

    The GOP isn't going anywhere. You should really look at the last mid-term elections, Walker winning the recall, and In my State of WA ( a Dem Stronghold) we are looking at strong chance of having a Rep. Governor. Just to name a few examples.

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    Re: End of the Republican Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Somebody is always gleefully claiming the death of the GOP.
    I was thinking the same thing.

    Don't the polls show the GOP will still control the House after this years' elections?

    If Obama wins in November, which party do you think will win most of the midterm elections?

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    Re: End of the Republican Party?

    given that the current partisan duopoly is protected by legislation / gerrymandering, the probability of the imminent death of one of the parties is exceptionally low.

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    Re: End of the Republican Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    If only you could be more specific on what bills they passed and that Bush signed. Then we could have more reasons to blame Bush.
    I can do better than that. I can show you a bill that Bush did not sign but the Democratic Congress managed to override his veto. And with Obama's help, it's caused our deficit to greatly increase in the past couple of years.

    President and Senator Obama not Straight on Food Stamp Eligibility

    So. Are you going to blame Bush...blame the Democrats...or wuss out and say it's really a good thing?
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    Re: End of the Republican Party?

    I think we should remove all political party affiliations from ballots, conventions, ect. Imagine the voting populous basing their vote on an candidates history, achievements, and ideas instead of the letter beside their name! So many people would be lost without the letter guide.

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    Re: End of the Republican Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    So I can presume you don’t blame Bush…right?
    Bush had plenty of things, such as foreign policy (which he is to blame) that he can be considered responsible for. As well as his response to Katrina, 911 and numerous other things. Has Obama had his shortcommings, sure. My issue on this issue is putting blame where blame is due, and Obama has tried to push for MANY jobs bills but the Senate republicans have blocked him on EVERY one of them, always stating some excuse like "oh, it would never pass the house so why waste time on it".
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