View Poll Results: Are there any examples of free speech that you believe fall under restrictions?

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  • Screaming fire and guns in a crowded auditorium/theater/church etc

    25 96.15%
  • Not acting on it yet making a film about the joys of children sexuality

    9 34.62%
  • Writing or speaking reasons why one might want to shoot or kill a candidate running for POTUS

    9 34.62%
  • Speaking inflammatory words to a culture where our troops and tax revenues are invested

    3 11.54%
  • Media produced inciting hatred while troops/citizens in that culturein order to incite violence

    5 19.23%
  • Protesting military funerals by taunting the fallen as our pay back for not being perfect

    5 19.23%
  • Making a film or writing a book about that denigrates women as not worthy except for sex services

    1 3.85%
  • Distributing a film in a country where our troops are stationed saying they represent Satan

    2 7.69%
  • Loudly bellowing sexual, political, and religious insults

    4 15.38%
  • Intentionally speaking of unproven deviant sexual inuendo of another to their community

    8 30.77%
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Thread: The First Amendment

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    Re: The First Amendment

    No Speech should be regulated

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    Re: The First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Do they have to be?
    Yes.

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    Re: The First Amendment

    Some of these I didn't know what you were saying.

    Others are very close to things I would vote for, but probably just because of poor wordchoice in the option, I didn't.

    For example, I didn't vote for "Intentionally speaking of unproven deviant sexual inuendo of another to their community" but I would have voted for "Falsely or recklessly accusing someone of deviant sexual conduct, communicated to others in their community."
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    Re: The First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin
    Every example listed is protected under the first amendment

    Lets review it again..

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    There you go.
    This fails to account for the fact that "freedom" meant something different at the time those words were written. "Freedom" was not taken to mean the same as "Liberty," which is what you're suggesting it means. I've said it before: John Locke's "Essay Concerning Human Understanding" is the critical piece of writing on the subject--you'll find the relevant discussion in book 2 in the chapter on "power."

    Roughly, liberty just meant the ability of a person to do or not do what was in their power to do. However, freedom had a much more restricted application; to sum up a long and intricate discussion, freedom meant the ability to respond appropriately to the call of duty. So, for instance, lying would not be covered. Perjury would not be covered. In fact, most of the options in the poll would not be covered.

    That said, we've tended to interpret the word "freedom" as closer to "liberty," and I'm not necessarily against that. However, one shouldn't just ignore these issues. Definitions of words change over time.

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    Re: The First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Was anyone harmed by the placing of the gun to the head?
    You really don't see the harm that could be caused by this?

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    Re: The First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    You really don't see the harm that could be caused by this?
    No, I can't. Who was harmed? I can see what "could" happen if a bullet is fired, but I sure can't if a bullet is not.

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    Re: The First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, I can't. Who was harmed? I can see what "could" happen if a bullet is fired, but I sure can't if a bullet is not.
    I think putting a gun to someones head could certainly cause mental harm.

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    Re: The First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The act of running people over is responsible for the deaths. The speech itself is incapable of being responsible for deaths of people. Its also NOT reasonable to panic in such a situation and everyone knows you are supposed to stay orderly in that situation. People that fail to do so and kill people are responsible for the deaths, no one else.

    In short, their premise is faulty and they are blatantly violating what is actually written even by pondering it.
    Henrin, your premise is flawed. Of course mere speech can kill. If I hire a hitter to take out my business rival, I did so by speaking.

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    Re: The First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That isn't protecting speech at all. Many of those are barely suggestion. The argument is basically suggestion drives people to do crimes and as a result we are holding suggestion as a crime itself. While I know this is a Godwin moment, this is the exact argument made by Europeans today about restricting speech. That Hitlers speech is responsible for killing millions of peoples when in fact his speech didn't kill a soul. Actions kill people, not words. How much more obvious does it need to be?
    If this were true, there could be no conspiracy crimes, no libel or slander, no verbal contracts, no oaths, no perjury, and very possibly, no right against self-incrimination.

    The law recognizes that certain kinds of speech should be judged as actions, Henrin.

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    Re: The First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Of course mere speech can kill. If I hire a hitter to take out my business rival, I did so by speaking.
    That's why US hate speech legislation requires a real, probable, specific and direct provocation to violence. "I don't like Jews" doesn't count, just like you saying "I don't like him" is not the same as hiring a hitman.

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