View Poll Results: Are there any examples of free speech that you believe fall under restrictions?

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  • Screaming fire and guns in a crowded auditorium/theater/church etc

    25 96.15%
  • Not acting on it yet making a film about the joys of children sexuality

    9 34.62%
  • Writing or speaking reasons why one might want to shoot or kill a candidate running for POTUS

    9 34.62%
  • Speaking inflammatory words to a culture where our troops and tax revenues are invested

    3 11.54%
  • Media produced inciting hatred while troops/citizens in that culturein order to incite violence

    5 19.23%
  • Protesting military funerals by taunting the fallen as our pay back for not being perfect

    5 19.23%
  • Making a film or writing a book about that denigrates women as not worthy except for sex services

    1 3.85%
  • Distributing a film in a country where our troops are stationed saying they represent Satan

    2 7.69%
  • Loudly bellowing sexual, political, and religious insults

    4 15.38%
  • Intentionally speaking of unproven deviant sexual inuendo of another to their community

    8 30.77%
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Thread: The First Amendment

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    Re: The First Amendment

    I only voted for the theater example and the sexual slander example. The reasons being that those are the two examples where you can find a causal link between speech and immediate and intended harm. In the case of the theater your lies were intended in the immediate sense to cause chaos, disruption, and physical harm even then however I think the person should only be held and charged if damage or harm occurred, otherwise simply eject them. I was much more strained on the slander and libel example, but I think that the current regimen we have is very tight and good. You have to prove that the lie being told is causing in a very direct causal way, real harm to yourself or your livelihood.

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    Re: The First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I only voted for the theater example and the sexual slander example. The reasons being that those are the two examples where you can find a causal link between speech and immediate and intended harm. In the case of the theater your lies were intended in the immediate sense to cause chaos, disruption, and physical harm even then however I think the person should only be held and charged if damage or harm occurred, otherwise simply eject them. I was much more strained on the slander and libel example, but I think that the current regimen we have is very tight and good. You have to prove that the lie being told is causing in a very direct causal way, real harm to yourself or your livelihood.
    I dont believe any example of speach should be procecuted crimanaly. Even perjury. That does not in no way exempt it from cival suit just criminal.

    If some one yells fire in a crowded theater, shouldnt your first response be "Where?"

    Sexual slander is heanous. Especially if the slander is of nature suggesting unlawfull acts. IE rape ext. However people gosip. That is what this would be unless PROVEN.

    I didnt vote, because there is no box for NOT AT ALL.
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    Re: The First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    But I don't see the harm in attempting to kill someone and failing!
    If no harm was caused then it should not be a crime. If you say discharged your firearm in the attempt, you should be charged with unlawful discharge of a firearm.
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    Re: The First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Danger to society is based on likelihood of the person committing a similar crime again. If all it takes is a superficial aspect to trigger them to commit a crime, they obviously that represents a unique kind of threat. Worse than some, better than others, but unique, and thus a good reason to declare hate as a motive.
    You cannot punish somebody for a probability.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    No, I don't. Nowhere have I advocated for making more things crimes. Nowhere have I said that we should increase punishments.

    You are simply inventing BS strawmen to knock down as you go, and it has nothing to do with anything I've actually said.
    Hate crime is new crime. It is used to extend punishments. That's the functional reality. You can not like reality, you can deny reality, but you cannot change reality. So make the choice.
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    Re: The First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    If no harm was caused then it should not be a crime. If you say discharged your firearm in the attempt, you should be charged with unlawful discharge of a firearm.
    You're first sentence doesn't match up with your second sentence. First you say then if no harm was done, it should not be a crime. Discharging your firearm in an attemptto harm someone doesn't actually harm them.

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    Re: The First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    You're first sentence doesn't match up with your second sentence. First you say then if no harm was done, it should not be a crime. Discharging your firearm in an attemptto harm someone doesn't actually harm them.
    Discharging a firearm is a violation of the local ordinace in all likelyhood. Most likely also an infraction ie not a crime persay a cival violation. So no ordinace no infraction. I should have said more appropriately "cited".
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    Re: The First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Hate crime is new crime. It is used to extend punishments. That's the functional reality. You can not like reality, you can deny reality, but you cannot change reality. So make the choice.
    True, it does extend punishments. But, I would says the purpose of hate crime laws is to prevent greater individual harm and to prevent greater harm to society.

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    Re: The First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Discharging a firearm is a violation of the local ordinace in all likelyhood. Most likely also an infraction ie not a crime persay a cival violation. So no ordinace no infraction. I should have said more appropriately "cited".
    But, other than that, you don't see it as a crime if someone were to unload on someone but happened to miss?

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    Re: The First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    But, other than that, you don't see it as a crime if someone were to unload on someone but happened to miss?
    No. But if they got shot themselves in the process well, they earned it.
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    Re: The First Amendment

    To me, freedom of speech will never prevail over common sense.
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