View Poll Results: Are there any examples of free speech that you believe fall under restrictions?

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  • Screaming fire and guns in a crowded auditorium/theater/church etc

    25 96.15%
  • Not acting on it yet making a film about the joys of children sexuality

    9 34.62%
  • Writing or speaking reasons why one might want to shoot or kill a candidate running for POTUS

    9 34.62%
  • Speaking inflammatory words to a culture where our troops and tax revenues are invested

    3 11.54%
  • Media produced inciting hatred while troops/citizens in that culturein order to incite violence

    5 19.23%
  • Protesting military funerals by taunting the fallen as our pay back for not being perfect

    5 19.23%
  • Making a film or writing a book about that denigrates women as not worthy except for sex services

    1 3.85%
  • Distributing a film in a country where our troops are stationed saying they represent Satan

    2 7.69%
  • Loudly bellowing sexual, political, and religious insults

    4 15.38%
  • Intentionally speaking of unproven deviant sexual inuendo of another to their community

    8 30.77%
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Thread: The First Amendment

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    Re: The First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Planning an act on someones life and failing at it when you actually try to pull it off are different things.
    And 99.9% of us think attempted murder should be a crime.

    I know you are enjoying your POV as the extremist, advocating for total freedom of speech, but it does fly in the face of 2,000 years of jurisprudence, Henrin.

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    Re: The First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Planning an act on someones life and failing at it when you actually try to pull it off are different things.
    But, you're entire notion of what should be criminal rests on the question of whether or not it causes harm to someone. The scenario that I just presented could be a scenario which does not harm anyone.

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    Re: The First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Okay, in the absence of a murder or assault, how would a person be charged with a hate crime IYO?
    Give it a bit, every time government grabs power it will expand it. Currently it's a crime that is associated first with the commission of another crime (secondary offense, much like seat belts used to be); but it's not unthinkable for it to turn stand alone.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: The First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So the idea is that a racist will assault/kill more regularly than someone that is not? What is the basis for this, if so?
    Various justifications have been advanced. Deterrence for the violent haters among us. Avoiding the agony of a subgroup when one of their members has been brutally and randomly murdered or assaulted. Reducing the incidence of civil unrest over racial or other divisions. Punishing more drastically those crimes we find most morally repugnant.

    I find it bizarre how a word can increase your sentence for murder as if the crime itself changes at all because of it.
    You think motive is irrelevant? Tell that to anyone who's been acquitted on self-defense grounds.

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    Re: The First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    And 99.9% of us think attempted murder should be a crime.

    I know you are enjoying your POV as the extremist, advocating for total freedom of speech, but it does fly in the face of 2,000 years of jurisprudence, Henrin.
    ahem..I said attempted murder should be a crime, but simply said there is a difference between planning and carrying out. The is also a difference between attempting and failing and attempting and succeeding. I only ask the differences here be taken into account as for what they are and not how our emotions leads us to think of them.

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    Re: The First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Give it a bit, every time government grabs power it will expand it. Currently it's a crime that is associated first with the commission of another crime (secondary offense, much like seat belts used to be); but it's not unthinkable for it to turn stand alone.
    Do you not think there is any societal interest in prosecuting those who commit hate crimes?

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    Re: The First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Give it a bit, every time government grabs power it will expand it. Currently it's a crime that is associated first with the commission of another crime (secondary offense, much like seat belts used to be); but it's not unthinkable for it to turn stand alone.
    Of course it's unthinkable, Ikari. It'd be patently unconstitutional for our government to criminalize every bit of "hate speech", whatever that may be.

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    Re: The First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Do you not think there is any societal interest in prosecuting those who commit hate crimes?
    I guess I would need data on that to say for sure. I do not think there is any just or rightful interest in prosecuting hate crimes as we already had the laws and government force in place to handle it.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: The First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Of course it's unthinkable, Ikari. It'd be patently unconstitutional for our government to criminalize every bit of "hate speech", whatever that may be.
    Yeah, well warrantless searches are patently unconstitutional, and we see where those stand.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: The First Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    ahem..I said attempted murder should be a crime, but simply said there is a difference between planning and carrying out. The is also a difference between attempting and failing and attempting and succeeding. I only ask the differences here be taken into account as for what they are and not how our emotions leads us to think of them.
    They are taken into account -- I don't know whaca mean here, dear.


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