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    Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Simple question (I hope it's obvious I mean the Prophet Muhammed, I just couldn't include that in the title due to space limitations)?

    Edit: Crap, I hit "go" before I had a chance to post the poll (and it won't let me delete my OP, so I can try again). Can a poll still be added?

    Edit2: Ok, I figured it out.
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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    not only no, but hayulls' no. This isn't Canada.
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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Simple question (I hope it's obvious I mean the Prophet Mohammed, I just couldn't include that in the title due to space limitations)?
    Here's a simple answer.

    Hell no.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Of course not.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Simple question (I hope it's obvious I mean the Prophet Mohammed, I just couldn't include that in the title due to space limitations)?
    No, they should not. I don't see why limiting our free speech rights would solve anything anyway.
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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Yes
    Abbas Barzegar has written Nothing Farcical About anti-Muhammad Film which discusses the free speech versus hate speech implications of this film:
    ,,, We have been here before. The late Danish Cartoon controversy in 2005, and Pastor Terry Jones’s Qur’an burning stunt in 2010. Anyone who has a inkling of familiarity with the Muslim world knows that sacrilege and blasphemy are not understood as acts of free speech, political expression, or artistic creativity. No, they are bright red lines that promise public panic and guarantee violence. Couple that reality with two centuries of colonial and neo-imperial European domination of the greater Middle East and you have the perfect storm for an international communications disaster. So, as history repeats itself, the only thing ludicrous is the incessant stubbornness of both the West’s commitment to “free speech” and the Muslim world’s rush to violence, the irony of which is lost upon them both.

    ... But one look at Sam Bacile’s film will demonstrate that its vitriolic message elevates it to the status of a hate crime. The movie depicts Muhammad as sexually licentious, insane, and fanatically violent. It draws upon (in the most uncreative ways) a long line of anti-Muslim stereotypes that date to the crusades. In short these stereotypes are to Islamophobia what blood libel is anti-Semitism.

    What is farcical is not only that Muslims who murder in the name of Islam reinforce the very stereotypes that caused their outrage but also that western democratic societies which continue to protect what amounts to hate speech reinforce their own stereotypes in the Muslim world as Godless moral relativists. Even more ironic however is that the chorus of condemnation on all sides will be loudly sounded, yet there will be no mechanism of force or law to stop this deadly child’s play of provocation and retaliation.

    Consider this: how is it possible that not the FBI nor Secretary of Defense Robert Gates could stop Pastor Terry Jones from putting the Quran on Trial and burning it when it was well known that the act would cause violence around the world and harm the security of the US personnel abroad? Likewise, how is possible that despite the most elaborate condemnations from Muslim religious authorities around the world that they could not stop a mob of thugs from storming the consulate in Benghazi and murdering the ambassador that helped them overthrow Qaddafi?

    Another layer of irony, still, will be our own melancholy reactions. As more protests unfold in the coming days and more violence abounds, the average global citizen will simply shake their heads, dumbfounded, and make hollow appeals for calm and reason. What we have yet to understand is that whether it takes the shape of Muhammad or the concept of Free Speech, the sacred remains untouchable. Until we find a system of law that limits the abuse of our sacred symbols, we can count on Marx’s promise that our coming days will be filled with nothing but farce.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fair View Post
    Yes
    Abbas Barzegar has written Nothing Farcical About anti-Muhammad Film which discusses the free speech versus hate speech implications of this film:
    Free Speech means nothing unless we protect speech with which we vehemently disagree.

    If we only allow speech with which we agree, there is no longer freedom.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Ok, figured out how to add the poll, please vote if you have an opinion on this.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    I hated "Piss Christ" and despise much of the modern art movement, while I'd love to knock a few teeth loose on the PC creator it is protected speech. Protecting speech that is benign is easy, it's when things get tough that we have to still protect the right. Long answer abridged, HELL NO, though I condemn an attack on any religion personally.
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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fair View Post
    Yes
    Abbas Barzegar has written Nothing Farcical About anti-Muhammad Film which discusses the free speech versus hate speech implications of this film:
    I don't believe in limiting speech based on someone's potential reaction to it. Think about what you're advocating here. If you don't want your God or your religion mocked/criticized or whatever, the right and most effective response is violence. I don't think that's a message we should be sending.

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