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Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime?


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Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

I hate to blow your bubble, David, but there is no proof that Mohammed ever even existed,

In which case, 7 people just voted "yes" to making it illegal to mock imaginary warlords.
 
Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

In which case, 7 people just voted "yes" to making it illegal to mock imaginary warlords.

And a few more should have voted yes, but didn't vote at all.
 
Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

And a few more should have voted yes, but didn't vote at all.

No one should have voted yes. They have the right to but they should not have voted yes because in this case there is an obvious right answer and that is NO
 
Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

And a few more should have voted yes, but didn't vote at all.

Having proffered imaginary arguments as they did, perhaps they felt they had already done their part?
 
Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

It's disturbing how one can figuratively kick the trash out of a religious figure all day and all night long, but if he takes even 30 seconds to promote a religious figure, it's a full blown national outrage, and God help the poor bastard from that time forward.
 
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Having proffered imaginary arguments as they did, perhaps they felt they had already done their part?

Y'know, when I started this poll, I knew the no vote would win and win substantially. I did expect a few more people to be willing to vote yes, though, given what I had been reading.
 
Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

It's disturbing how one can figuratively kick the trash out of a religious figure all day and all night long, but if he takes even 30 seconds to promote a religious figure, it's a full blown national outrage, and God help the poor bastard from that time forward.

What do you mean? Do you have something specifically that happened in mind?
 
Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

Of course it should. There are 4 people dead because the government lacks the balls to detain a person that deliberately inflames others to violence.

Australians don't believe in liberty.
 
Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

What do you mean? Do you have something specifically that happened in mind?
Let's examine Barack Obama's situation with Jeremiah Wright. Why did the President distance himself from his religious leader of 20 years? It was because he knew that if he didn't sever ties with the reverend that this relationship would threaten his election. Now I'm not saying that I am in Barack Obama's camp or Reverend Wright's camp. What I am saying is that people, especially public officials, have had the ability to stand up for their religious convictions taken away from them.
 
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Let's examine Barack Obama's situation with Jeremiah Wright. Why did the President distance himself from his religious leader of 20 years? It was because he knew that if he didn't sever ties with the reverend that this relationship would threaten his election. Now I'm not saying that I am in Barack Obama's camp or Reverend Wright's camp. What I am saying is that people, especially public officials, have had the ability to stand up for their religious convictions taken away from them.

If a public figure is unwilling to stand up for their religious convictions because they might lose an election then that's on them for being so weak. Romney takes a lot of crap for being Mormon, but if he suddenly denounced his beliefs, he'd lose all respect.
 
Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

If a public figure is unwilling to stand up for their religious convictions because they might lose an election then that's on them for being so weak. Romney takes a lot of crap for being Mormon, but if he suddenly denounced his beliefs, he'd lose all respect.
Good point. And if Romney continues to stand up for his beliefs, then that will blow my theory out of the water -- which would be perfectly fine in this case.
 
Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

Australians don't believe in liberty.

Closet foreign policy - don't say anything that might 'offend' someone.
 
Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

Of course it should. There are 4 people dead because the government lacks the balls to detain a person that deliberately inflames others to violence.

We might add that the amabassador was raped, and note that a youtube video had nothing to do with it.
 
Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

I hate to blow your bubble, David, but there is no proof that Mohammed ever even existed, any more than it can be proven that Jesus Christ ever existed. Both historical figures are too far back in time for there to be any solid record -- the religious texts that created their following are not reliable as a matter of anthropology, archaeology or history.
They are reliable as a matter of faith, hope and charity. You should try them sometime; your outlook on life may become a whole lot less cynical.
 
Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

They are reliable as a matter of faith, hope and charity. You should try them sometime; your outlook on life may become a whole lot less cynical.

This might be another shocker: I have faith, and although I am not a christian nor a member of any other organized religion, I am a Deist. I merely distinguish between what faith might induce a person to believe and what science can prove, and point out (again) that as a matter of science, there is no proof whatsoever that either Muhammed or Jesus Christ ever actually existed.
 
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We might add that the amabassador was raped, and note that a youtube video had nothing to do with it.

Was he really? How gruesome; I had not heard that before, eco.
 
Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

This might be another shocker: I have faith, and although I am not a christian nor a member of any other organized religion, I am a Deist. I merely distinguish between what faith might induce a person to believe and what science can prove, and point out (again) that as a matter of science, there is no proof whatsoever that either Muhammed or Jesus Christ ever actually existed.
Hence, deism is nothing more than a figment of your imagination?
 
Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

This might be another shocker: I have faith, and although I am not a christian nor a member of any other organized religion, I am a Deist. I merely distinguish between what faith might induce a person to believe and what science can prove, and point out (again) that as a matter of science, there is no proof whatsoever that either Muhammed or Jesus Christ ever actually existed.

There are a few for "Jesus" or rather someone fitting the bill as Jesus outside of the Bible. One of the more famous being Josephus. Ill have to look it up and link it and I know there are two or three more besides Josephus' account.
 
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Regarding the quotes from the historian Josephus about Jesus|Josephus a Jewish priest,wrote Antiquities | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

This is one of the more unbiased and better quoted pages I could find and I guess the Arabic translated from the original Greek did call Jesus by name. My bad lol

I mean unbiased in the fact its not cramming the Christian side or against the writing completely as other sites and it actually quotes more from the Testimonia than others, not that its completely unbiased.
 
Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

The question is extremist, in the terms that a definite response is reasonably expected, for a good number of countries prize freedom of speech, which this falls under, and to allow for a government controlled ban on speech regarding nearly anything (explicit hate speech [subtle and indirect and "ambiguous" hate speech is still okay], death threats, etc excluded) is ridiculous.

This is not a debate question, nor is it a topic of discussion with the majority (if not all) of members of debatepolitics.com. The discussion should be on morality of conduct, not legality of conduct.

Perspective needs to be placed first in the personal. Social interactions are governed by niceties and often include not fully expressing one's opinion on a matter.

The more divorced people are, they, consequently, are also more dependent on stereotypes, which, for some reason, weakens their own social mores.

Should disparaging remarks of any religion be a crime? No. But are disparaging remarks necessarily poignantly critical and insightful or are they mean? Disparaging words are demeaning and belittling. They are designed to hurt.

Should it be illegal to emotionally hurt people. Clearly the answer is no. And it shouldn't be illegal to intentionally hurt people emotionally either (for none physical harm can ideally be avoided), but is that morally responsible? Is it something for which people should be awarded? Is it something for which free speech should be celebrated?

Free speech has a purpose, and so to does morality. It is not illegal to disparage people or religion or people of a certain religion, but it is wrong to do so.

There are people who believe in the Hollow Earth "Theory" and to criticize this may hurt them. There is a difference between being critical of a subject and critical of a person. No reasonable person would agree that the Earth is Hollow since it is established as a fact it is not. From a point of morality one can be critical of any historical person in their actions if not their beliefs. I do not see that Mohammad should be exempt from such standard from a moral point of view.
 
Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

Regarding the quotes from the historian Josephus about Jesus|Josephus a Jewish priest,wrote Antiquities | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

This is one of the more unbiased and better quoted pages I could find and I guess the Arabic translated from the original Greek did call Jesus by name. My bad lol

I mean unbiased in the fact its not cramming the Christian side or against the writing completely as other sites and it actually quotes more from the Testimonia than others, not that its completely unbiased.

I would be delighted to explore this question more fully in the Religion Forum, if you wish, Chelsea. It's fascinating stuff.
 
Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

Absolutely pinkie. :)
 
Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

Hence, deism is nothing more than a figment of your imagination?

Threadjack much, Dooble?

The short answer is no, Deism is my philosophy as to how the world and the humans in it operate.
 
Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

Y'know, when I started this poll, I knew the no vote would win and win substantially. I did expect a few more people to be willing to vote yes, though, given what I had been reading.

I'm flabbergasted that seven people voted to eliminate our freedom of speech.

But how do you explain the two dufuses who are undecided?
 
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