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Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime?

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X Factor said:
A no vote would have taken a lot less time than this post. Thanks for caring.
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A "no" vote would have given credence to the poll that I don't think it deserves.
 
Whatevs...back to the discussion.
 
Mycroft said:
A "no" vote would have given credence to the poll that I don't think it deserves.
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Considering the fact that there are countless examples in various threads of people who are certainly edging very close to a "yes" in their actual argumentation, and some who are arguing a very strong "yes" in these same threads, I don't see such a poll as asinine at all.
 
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Mycroft said:
I'm surprised you made the above statement but didn't mention holding accountable those who would perpetrate the violence.
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That's not what this thread is about.

Please don't infer that my comment was in any way supportive of those who actually committed the violence and murder.

Isn't inciting violence a crime?
 
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Dragonfly said:
Isn't inciting violence a crime?
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So, you are saying that this filmmaker went to Libya et al and encouraged people to riot?


That's a new one.
 
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Gardener said:
So, you are saying that this filmmaker went to Libya et al and encouraged people to riot?


That's a new one.
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He DID translate it into Arabic. What did he think was going to happen? They'd all become Christians?

This thread shows the inability of the right to get past simplistic jingoism. Did anybody think this wouldn't happen? The simmering rage of Islam that you all are telling us about...well, he poured gasoline on it...Hello?
 
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Gardener said:
So, you are saying that this filmmaker went to Libya et al and encouraged people to riot?


That's a new one.
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It's 2012, do you really think personal appearance is necessary to incite violence?

Aren't the protests and deaths evidence of my premise?
 
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Dragonfly said:
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Why can't the people who made that movie be held accountable?
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In this country have this thing called the 1st amendment guaranteeing the right to free speech.IF hard core crazy Christians and Jews started murdering people because someone claimed the old testament is nothing more than a harry potter book and that evolution is fact, should we punish people for offending those terrorists? What if anti-war trash started murdering people because they thought the military is offensive? What if peta-tards started murdering people because someone said veganism is ****en stupid?She we cave to every group who murders people because someone said something offensive?
 
Gardener said:
Considering the fact that there are countless examples in various threads of people who are certainly edging very close to a "yes" in their actual argumentation, and some who are arguing a very strong "yes" in these same threads, I don't see such a poll as asinine at all.
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Fine. You are entitled to your opinion...and your selection of a poll response.
 
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rocket88 said:
He DID translate it into Arabic. What did he think was going to happen? They'd all become Christians?
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Your basing your understanding of the word "incitement" upon the primitive reactions rather than anything actually qualifiable indicates you really do not understand what the word means - -especially from a legal standpoint.

Good grief -- South Park, Family Guy and other MAINSTREAM media here routinely offend Christians. I would suggest you call for the arrest of the writers and producers and see how far you get.
 
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Dragonfly said:
It's 2012, do you really think personal appearance is necessary to incite violence?

Aren't the protests and deaths evidence of my premise?
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The protests deaths are only indicative of your complete inability to understand the meaning of a term. You want people arrested here every time some nutjobs protest, do you? Good grief.
 
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Silly poll of course not. Ridiculous to even ask.
 
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Gardener said:
Your basing your understanding of the word "incitement" upon the primitive reactions rather than anything actually qualifiable indicates you really do not understand what the word means - -especially from a legal standpoint.

Good grief -- South Park, Family Guy and other MAINSTREAM media here routinely offend Christians. I would suggest you call for the arrest of the writers and producers and see how far you get.
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I'm not saying it's legally incitement. But to say that nobody knew this would happen...I mean, come on...

South Park and Family Guy routinely offend all religions. Nice try to make this about the horrible persecution you are under as a white Christian male.
 
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jamesrage said:
In this country have this thing called the 1st amendment guaranteeing the right to free speech.IF hard core crazy Christians and Jews started murdering people because someone claimed the old testament is nothing more than a harry potter book and that evolution is fact, should we punish people for offending those terrorists? What if anti-war trash started murdering people because they thought the military is offensive? What if peta-tards started murdering people because someone said veganism is ****en stupid?She we cave to every group who murders people because someone said something offensive?
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I did say I can see both sides.

I get the value of free speech.

Go practice some of that in an airplane and see what happens.

Context and intent.

Do you support civil suits being brought against the "film maker"?
 
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not only no, but hell no.
 
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rocket88 said:
I'm not saying it's legally incitement. But to say that nobody knew this would happen.

South Park and Family Guy routinely offend all religions. Nice try to make this about the horrible persecution you are under as a white Christian male.
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I'm not a white Christian male, and have said nothing about horrible persecution. I simply brought up a salient example that reveals the complete hypocrisy of those who create the sorts of double standards you are furthering here.
 
Gardener said:
Considering the fact that there are countless examples in various threads of people who are certainly edging very close to a "yes" in their actual argumentation, and some who are arguing a very strong "yes" in these same threads, I don't see such a poll as asinine at all.
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And, in fact, Gardener, I've been seeing enough people close to saying that very thing that I just wanted to cut to the chase and see how prevelant that position really is here. I'm heartened by the results so far.
 
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cpwill said:
not only no, but hayulls' no. This isn't Canada.
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I do agree with you on this point.

I notice that the state of California has introduced new laws which make any criticism of Israel as anti-Semitic that can result in a jail sentence.

You must be utterly furious at this legal development?
 
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Of course it should. There are 4 people dead because the government lacks the balls to detain a person that deliberately inflames others to violence.
 
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Klown said:
I do agree with you on this point.

I notice that the state of California has introduced new laws which make any criticism of Israel as anti-Semitic that can result in a jail sentence.

You must be utterly furious at this legal development?
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utterly furious? nope, just hopeful that it get's struck down as quickly as possible. If it doesn't get struck down, then i'll be ticked.
 
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Gardener said:
I'm not a white Christian male, and have said nothing about horrible persecution. I simply brought up a salient example that reveals the complete hypocrisy of those who create the sorts of double standards you are furthering here.
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It's not a salient example. Those shows make fun of everybody's religion. I think they even make fun of atheists.
 
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cpwill said:
not only no, but hayulls' no. This isn't Canada.
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It isn't illegal here only hate speech saying you want x group of people killed.
 
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Klown said:
I do agree with you on this point.

I notice that the state of California has introduced new laws which make any criticism of Israel as anti-Semitic that can result in a jail sentence.

You must be utterly furious at this legal development?
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I'd absolutely disagree with doing such a thing (assuming there's not more to it). But then, I also disagree with regulating Happy Meals.
 
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Gardener said:
The protests deaths are only indicative of your complete inability to understand the meaning of a term. You want people arrested here every time some nutjobs protest, do you? Good grief.
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American citizens have been murdered. I think it's important to try to prevent that kind of thing.

I think it's important to look at the root causes and see what's behind them.

Yes - it's damn silly for anyone to get that worked up over a worse-than-pathetic piece of youtube trash.
To kill anyone over a religious difference of opinion is asinine, ignorant, and extremely wrong.

However, we also know that certain things will trigger those kinds of reactions.

We should not be purposefully trying to ignite the powder keg simply because we want to show others how stupidly animalistic some people can behave.

Again, I said I'm on the fence. Torn over this. I can see both sides.

When you do something well within your rights to do, but you also know damn fvcking well innocent people might/will get killed over it, what's your responsibility?
And at what point should legal charges be pressed?

It's well worth looking into I think.

It's one thing to put your own life at risk. It's quite another to put the lives of many others at risk.

Being held accountable for your actions. Don't we all support that ideology?

I am not saying the rioters and murderers over there are not accountable.

But how can you say the film makers don't bear some level of accountability as well?
 
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spud_meister said:
Of course it should. There are 4 people dead because the government lacks the balls to detain a person that deliberately inflames others to violence.
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To be fair, we should have had beefed up security in the middle east over the 9/11 anniversary and it appears we did not. Had that step been taken, regardless of the inflammatory video, we likely wouldn't have 4 dead people, either.
 
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