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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Yeah they should limit free speech on Muhammad, and they should also tell us what clothing to wear, what time to wake up in the morning and who we associate with. In case the sarcasm wasn't obvious its there, but seriously this is no differen't then someone speaking bad against Christians, Jews, Mormons, Catholics and so on. They do it because there law entitles them to do it. Who are we to say or he government that people shouldn't be able to speak in a negative manor on certain topics. I mean people challenge my beliefs in Jesus Christ everyday, but i don't think they shouldn't be allowed to. Its our right to call it as we see it and that's just how i feel on the matter. We do have to live with any consequences if any and respect others right to view things differently though.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    There are people who believe in the Hollow Earth "Theory" and to criticize this may hurt them. There is a difference between being critical of a subject and critical of a person. No reasonable person would agree that the Earth is Hollow since it is established as a fact it is not. From a point of morality one can be critical of any historical person in their actions if not their beliefs. I do not see that Mohammad should be exempt from such standard from a moral point of view.
    I agree, and I never disagreed that criticism is good, as it is linked to free speech and, more importantly, is namely rooted in constructive dialogue.

    The focus of my comments were on the "disparaging", which is to say, on comments meant to be hurtful and not insightful, and this sprouted from the question of the poll.

    I asked, "Should disparaging remarks of any religion be a crime?" People can be critical with disparaging remarks, for the record. Critical comments are in themselves not constructive, i.e., intelligent, or insightful, or worthwhile, because criticism - to judge merits of, or faults of - is subjective, and negative comments that lack articulated points to support them are still technically classified as criticism, though poorly crafted.

    The point of morality made was on rightness of spewing hatred versus having an honest debate on facts and reasoned arguments.

    I concluded that disparaging, or belittling comments are morally wrong. They do not add to the discussion, debate, or argument of anything, for they lack explanation and reasoning.

    Opinion is important, but without substantive backing, without a reasoned argument to support an opinion, what good is it?

    (And my post commented on the disingenuous post itself, which asked a North American forum if criticism or disparaging comments should be illegal, which is absurd considering opinions on free speech in said region)



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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    I'd like to know why the Prophet is held so sacrosanct in the Islamic religion that some Muslims are willing to commit acts of violence or terror to any act they would consider a slight. As i understand it, the Prophet is mortal and not God.
    Are there any Muslims who would like to explain all this?

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glowpun View Post
    I'd like to know why the Prophet is held so sacrosanct in the Islamic religion that some Muslims are willing to commit acts of violence or terror to any act they would consider a slight. As i understand it, the Prophet is mortal and not God.
    Are there any Muslims who would like to explain all this?
    This is an eggsellent question..................for the Religion Forum.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Just 2 years after his death:

    Quote Originally Posted by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad#Non-Arabic_sources

    The earliest documented Christian knowledge of Muhammad stems from Byzantine sources. They indicate that both Jews and Christians saw Muhammad as a "false prophet".
    In the 'Doctrina Jacobi nuper baptizati' of 634, Muhammad is portrayed as being "Deceiving[,] for do Prophets come with Sword and chariot?, [...] you will discover nothing true from the said prophet except human Bloodshed."[39]
    The advantage of contemporary reporting.
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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Just 2 years after his death:

    The advantage of contemporary reporting.
    I don't care. I continue to maintain that there is no scientific or historical proof Muhammed ever existed, but so what if there were?

    The result of that determination should have ZERO effect on my freedom to trash talk the man, if I so choose. After all, Nixon actually existed, and I have trash talked him since the 1960's.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:

    I made the thread Pinkie, if you want to delve into it. Its gotten one smartass reply since its inception.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glowpun View Post
    I'd like to know why the Prophet is held so sacrosanct in the Islamic religion that some Muslims are willing to commit acts of violence or terror to any act they would consider a slight. As i understand it, the Prophet is mortal and not God.
    Are there any Muslims who would like to explain all this?
    All prophets arr held in the upmost respect in Islam. Muhammed (saw) moreso as he is the last Prophet, bringing Gods final revelation to humanity, but all the prophets before him are recognized with Honor. Jesus, Moses, Elijah (saw) are all esteemed. But since Prophet Muhammad (saw) is the example we should live by according to the Quran and (depending on which sect) the Hadith. He is followed much like Jesus (saw) in Christianity besides the Deity notion or Moses (saw) and his teachings in Judaism. Its not that he is revered to a godlike status but that he was a Holy man of God.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    I don't care. I continue to maintain that there is no scientific or historical proof Muhammed ever existed, but so what if there were?

    The result of that determination should have ZERO effect on my freedom to trash talk the man, if I so choose. After all, Nixon actually existed, and I have trash talked him since the 1960's.
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    I don't care if Mohammed existed.
    My post wasn't to show he did, though it lends credibility to that position.

    My post WAS to show what the West thought of him, or at least reports of him, and the Islamic philosophy.
    I don't believe we have any such near-term outside acknowledgment (if it is an acknowledgement), of Jesus.

    For the record; I believe this religion is tantamount to constructing a cult around Blackbeard the Pirate, a tale of a Buccaneers exploits and code for dividing up the booty. With perhaps the addition of some extranea afterwards.
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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    I don't care if Mohammed existed.
    My post wasn't to show he did, though it lends credibility to that position.

    My post WAS to show what the West thought of him, or at least reports of him, and the Islamic philosophy.
    I don't believe we have any such near-term outside acknowledgment (if it is an acknowledgement), of Jesus.

    For the record; I believe this religion is tantamount to constructing a cult around Blackbeard the Pirate, a tale of a Buccaneers exploits and code for dividing up the booty. With perhaps the addition of some extranea afterwards.
    The whole point of freedom of speech is that I am free to say things the listener might find it very difficult to hear.

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