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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    We might add that the amabassador was raped, and note that a youtube video had nothing to do with it.
    Was he really? How gruesome; I had not heard that before, eco.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    This might be another shocker: I have faith, and although I am not a christian nor a member of any other organized religion, I am a Deist. I merely distinguish between what faith might induce a person to believe and what science can prove, and point out (again) that as a matter of science, there is no proof whatsoever that either Muhammed or Jesus Christ ever actually existed.
    Hence, deism is nothing more than a figment of your imagination?

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    This might be another shocker: I have faith, and although I am not a christian nor a member of any other organized religion, I am a Deist. I merely distinguish between what faith might induce a person to believe and what science can prove, and point out (again) that as a matter of science, there is no proof whatsoever that either Muhammed or Jesus Christ ever actually existed.
    There are a few for "Jesus" or rather someone fitting the bill as Jesus outside of the Bible. One of the more famous being Josephus. Ill have to look it up and link it and I know there are two or three more besides Josephus' account.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Regarding the quotes from the historian Josephus about Jesus|Josephus a Jewish priest,wrote Antiquities | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

    This is one of the more unbiased and better quoted pages I could find and I guess the Arabic translated from the original Greek did call Jesus by name. My bad lol

    I mean unbiased in the fact its not cramming the Christian side or against the writing completely as other sites and it actually quotes more from the Testimonia than others, not that its completely unbiased.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by shelphs View Post
    The question is extremist, in the terms that a definite response is reasonably expected, for a good number of countries prize freedom of speech, which this falls under, and to allow for a government controlled ban on speech regarding nearly anything (explicit hate speech [subtle and indirect and "ambiguous" hate speech is still okay], death threats, etc excluded) is ridiculous.

    This is not a debate question, nor is it a topic of discussion with the majority (if not all) of members of debatepolitics.com. The discussion should be on morality of conduct, not legality of conduct.

    Perspective needs to be placed first in the personal. Social interactions are governed by niceties and often include not fully expressing one's opinion on a matter.

    The more divorced people are, they, consequently, are also more dependent on stereotypes, which, for some reason, weakens their own social mores.

    Should disparaging remarks of any religion be a crime? No. But are disparaging remarks necessarily poignantly critical and insightful or are they mean? Disparaging words are demeaning and belittling. They are designed to hurt.

    Should it be illegal to emotionally hurt people. Clearly the answer is no. And it shouldn't be illegal to intentionally hurt people emotionally either (for none physical harm can ideally be avoided), but is that morally responsible? Is it something for which people should be awarded? Is it something for which free speech should be celebrated?

    Free speech has a purpose, and so to does morality. It is not illegal to disparage people or religion or people of a certain religion, but it is wrong to do so.
    There are people who believe in the Hollow Earth "Theory" and to criticize this may hurt them. There is a difference between being critical of a subject and critical of a person. No reasonable person would agree that the Earth is Hollow since it is established as a fact it is not. From a point of morality one can be critical of any historical person in their actions if not their beliefs. I do not see that Mohammad should be exempt from such standard from a moral point of view.
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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chelsea View Post
    Regarding the quotes from the historian Josephus about Jesus|Josephus a Jewish priest,wrote Antiquities | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

    This is one of the more unbiased and better quoted pages I could find and I guess the Arabic translated from the original Greek did call Jesus by name. My bad lol

    I mean unbiased in the fact its not cramming the Christian side or against the writing completely as other sites and it actually quotes more from the Testimonia than others, not that its completely unbiased.
    I would be delighted to explore this question more fully in the Religion Forum, if you wish, Chelsea. It's fascinating stuff.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Absolutely pinkie.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chelsea View Post
    Absolutely pinkie.
    Did you wanna start the thread?

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Hence, deism is nothing more than a figment of your imagination?
    Threadjack much, Dooble?

    The short answer is no, Deism is my philosophy as to how the world and the humans in it operate.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Y'know, when I started this poll, I knew the no vote would win and win substantially. I did expect a few more people to be willing to vote yes, though, given what I had been reading.
    I'm flabbergasted that seven people voted to eliminate our freedom of speech.

    But how do you explain the two dufuses who are undecided?

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