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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Of course it should. There are 4 people dead because the government lacks the balls to detain a person that deliberately inflames others to violence.
    Actually, four people are dead because an Ambassador trusted local protection over his own Marines and because an Ambassador was stupid enough to be in a place that was virtually undefended at a time that was known to be dangerous.
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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Let me comment on the hate speech bit that was brought up earlier. The point about hate speech or fighting words is that they are calculated to bring about a violent reaction. That was the intent. From what I understand, this film was not meant as real academic critique. It was instead an insult, founded mainly in the religious bigotry of the creator. If he created a benign film, and the reaction was surprising and not at all what he intended to happen, then he has done nothing wrong. If instead he intentionally crafted an inflammatory and insulting piece, with no purpose other than to degrade and hurt people, then he is responsible for the current situation, and should be held accountable. Intent matters. No extra laws are necessary in this situation. We already hold people accountable for their calculated acts (including speech) that were intended to provoke a violent reaction.
    Since when have you decided that it bothered you for people to be "hurt and degraded" for their religious beliefs?

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Since when have you decided that it bothered you for people to be "hurt and degraded" for their religious beliefs?
    I'm sure it all depends on the people in question. Muslims, yes.

    Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Shinto, Zoroastrians or any others -- not so much. That wouldn't be fashionable, you know.
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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    (good luck with the supreme court overturning, I have it from a very secure source in the USA that the media, congress, banks and legal system are all controlled by you know who)
    Not sure if (overtly) joking.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I'm sure it all depends on the people in question. Muslims, yes.

    Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Shinto, Zoroastrians or any others -- not so much. That wouldn't be fashionable, you know.
    Well it's clear that anyone who supports non-violence has it all wrong. If you want government protection from having your religion mocked, criticized or whatever, just become violent and you'll inspire many people to, not only become your apologists, but will insist that others be punished for offending you in the first place.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Since when have you decided that it bothered you for people to be "hurt and degraded" for their religious beliefs?
    You completely missed the whole "calculated to cause a violent reaction" part, huh? But silly me for just explaining how hate speech laws actually work. That doesn't matter at all so long as you can pretend that your poor little majority religion that always gets its way in this country is somehow oppressed.

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Well it's clear that anyone who supports non-violence has it all wrong. If you want government protection from having your religion mocked, criticized or whatever, just become violent and you'll inspire many people to, not only become your apologists, but will insist that others be punished for offending you in the first place.
    You do understand that there can be a conflict in which both sides are wrong, right?
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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    You completely missed the whole "calculated to cause a violent reaction" part, huh? But silly me for just explaining how hate speech laws actually work. That doesn't matter at all so long as you can pretend that your poor little majority religion that always gets its way in this country is somehow oppressed.
    I'm so offended and outraged. If you continue on with this, or any critcism of Christianity in the future, it'll be fair to assume that you're just trying to provoke me to violence.

    You do understand that there can be a conflict in which both sides are wrong, right?
    I just don't put making a film (the dude who made it has the right to his opinion) on any where near the same level as killing people. My strongest condemnation will always be for the latter.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Well it's clear that anyone who supports non-violence has it all wrong. If you want government protection from having your religion mocked, criticized or whatever, just become violent and you'll inspire many people to, not only become your apologists, but will insist that others be punished for offending you in the first place.
    The lack of intelligence applied to this matter really amazes me, sometimes.

    I recall a few years ago when there was a bit of an issue over the "PissChrist" idiot Dada photographic "art" where a person actually received a government endowment for this "art" which consisted of nothing more than a crucifix in a jar of Urine. Unlike the issue today, which consisted of a lone individual doing something with no government support and precious little from anybody else, this was actually a product of a national endowment for the arts, the "artist", himself actually earning 15000 dollars for it. Was this offensive to Christians? Of course. Was it intentionally offensive? Beyond any shadow of a doubt. Did Christians go on a rampage? No -- the worst thing that happened was that the "art", itself was vandalized. Was there a hue and cry from any of these extreme hypocrites currently getting their panties in a little knot over this film? You and I both know there wasn't.

    THis isn't about having consistant values , applying those values to an issue and forming a rational reaction. It is about placating violent people because of their intimidation and saying the politically correct thing to say because of this intimidation. How else do you explain these incredible double standards peoppel support viv a vis Islam and any other religion?
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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    You completely missed the whole "calculated to cause a violent reaction" part, huh? But silly me for just explaining how hate speech laws actually work. That doesn't matter at all so long as you can pretend that your poor little majority religion that always gets its way in this country is somehow oppressed.


    Are you really as clueless as you sound?

    It's like watching intentional satire due to the hypocrisy.
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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Absolutely not. We should also never cave into the barbaric acts of violence that others commit in response to having their feelings pricked.
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