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Thread: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Personally, I've always considered slave owners to be subhuman savages. All thinking people agree with me on this.
    Out for a nice troll this morning, are we?

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Out for a nice troll this morning, are we?
    Only if you consider challenging groupthink to be trolling. These are things people need to consider. I'm not going to stand idly by while a bunch of participants in a Muslim-bashing session pat themselves on the back for being champions of free speech. It's absurd. And if you think the framers were Godlike figures, you need to account for their inherent savagery as slave owners and racists.

    I never once trolled or poed this thread, that's why I keep asking people to read what I write carefully.

    By the way; I notice you failed to dredge up a contradiction from my posts! I cheerfully accept your failure to back up your libelous statement as your de facto concession on this point.
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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by helix2048 View Post
    This isn't a question about whether Muhammad was a warlord. You could call the Christian God and many other God systems the same thing. It's a matter of respecting other people's beliefs. If someone were to tell me unicorns are real and it helps them sleep at night, I might think they're off their rocker, but I certainly wouldn't be disrespectful about it. If the maker of the movie had any respect, he wouldn't have made the movie, let alone lie to the actors in the film and voice over their original parts.

    Again, it boils down to common sense. You don't make a movie like that and release it publicly knowing that it will cause violent outrage. It's a thin line to walk, I admit that. But you have to ask yourself, at what point does it stop being art? We don't consider child porn as art. We don't consider racial violence videos as art. We shouldn't consider this art either.
    Personally, I think the movie was a dodge. It was a US presidential election year and the anniversary of 9/11, so time to kill an American. Any excuse would have done -- and no doubt, there are tons of offensive videos on YouTube.

    What would you find it "convenient" or "common sensical" for me to give up next? If I do surrender my freedom speech, will Al Queada start to like me?

    This is just such sloppy thing, helix. It's an emotion-ridden knee-jerk response to fear, not an analysis.

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Only if you consider challenging groupthink to be trolling. These are things people need to consider. I'm not going to stand idly by while a bunch of participants in a Muslim-bashing session pat themselves on the back for being champions of free speech. It's absurd. And if you think the framers were Godlike figures, you need to account for their inherent savagery as slave owners and racists.
    I do not think anyone in this thread other than you has engaged herein in any Muslim-bashing. What we have “bashed” are violent, subhuman savages, and those who would give these savages the power to dictate what rights we get to enjoy as members of a free society. As far as I can tell, you are the only one who has implied that the Muslim religion has relevance to the behavior of these savages.
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    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I do not think anyone in this thread other than you has engaged herein in any Muslim-bashing. What we have “bashed” are violent, subhuman savages, and those who would give these savages the power to dictate what rights we get to enjoy as members of a free society. As far as I can tell, you are the only one who has implied that the Muslim religion has relevance to the behavior of these savages.
    That is entirely false.

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I do not think anyone in this thread other than you has engaged herein in any Muslim-bashing. What we have “bashed” are violent, subhuman savages, and those who would give these savages the power to dictate what rights we get to enjoy as members of a free society. As far as I can tell, you are the only one who has implied that the Muslim religion has relevance to the behavior of these savages.
    That is entirely false.
    I assume that you mean to say that every claim that I made in my post is false?

    OK, then, show me where anyone other than yourself has engaged in any Muslim-bashing in this thread.



    And is this, or is this not, your post…?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    So you would rather respect the wishes of subhuman savages who are not members of this society, and who have no standing herein, over the wishes of the “slaveholders” who established this society, and over the wishes of those of us who are now members in standing of this society? That's a rather bizarre representation of Libertarianism, I must say.
    I come from the academic tradition of Nozickian/Rothbardian libertarians. Frankly, I have never understood you folks who hold the framers up like gods, and why you think that following the constitution as they wrote it has anything to do with libertarianism.

    As for your question, you have made me into a Strawman, and slurred a religion of peace, so it is not possible for me to answer other than to say you need to get your facts straight, both about me and the Islamic faith.

    I was writing about subhuman savages, and you accused me of having “slurred a religion of peace”. I was not bashing Muslims. I was bashing subhuman savages. I said nothing about the professed religious faith of these savages. It is you who claimed that by condemning these savages, I “slurred a religion of peace”, which is to claim that Muslims, in general are savages. It was you that made that connection, not me. I did not make that connection, nor do I agree with it.

    Are you now going to claim that you did not write what I have quoted here? Are you going to claim that someone else hack into your account and wrote this in order to falsely make you look like a Muslim-basher?
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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Bob's implication in that post is that the practitioners of the Islamic religion are "subhuman savages." That he is unwilling to own up to it, and pretends now that he was only referring to some subgroup (who exactly?) does demonstrate a conscience, which is a good thing. I happily accept your clear retraction of your earlier attempt to tar all Muslims As "subhuman.". I now only wish you to purge the ugly word "subhuman" from your vocabulary altogether. But one step at a time, eh?
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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Bob's implication in that post is that the practitioners of the Islamic religion are "subhuman savages." That he is unwilling to own up to it, and pretends now that he was only referring to some subgroup (who exactly?) does demonstrate a conscience, which is a good thing. I happily accept your clear retraction of your earlier attempt to tar all Muslims As "subhuman.". I now only wish you to purge the ugly word "subhuman" from your vocabulary altogether. But one step at a time, eh?
    It is YOU who feels Muslims have to be mollycoddled like no other religious group on Planet Earth because YOU perceive them all -- all 1.5 Billion of them-- as have a severe defect in impulse control that every other religious group/group of humans living has not got.

    The bigotry here is YOURS.

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Pinkie, please stop talking to me.

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Pinkie, please stop talking to me.
    Here's a lesson in freedom of speech, although DP is hardly the government:

    I have the right to address you. You have the right to ignore me.

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