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Thread: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    utterly furious? nope, just hopeful that it get's struck down as quickly as possible. If it doesn't get struck down, then i'll be ticked.
    It could create a legal precedence

    Perhaps a new law making it illegal to criticize anything Iceland does as a nation - punishable by death.

    Anti-Icelandic hatred cannot be tolerated in a functioning fascist corpocracy such as the USA.

    (good luck with the supreme court overturning, I have it from a very secure source in the USA that the media, congress, banks and legal system are all controlled by you know who)
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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    I did say I can see both sides.

    I get the value of free speech.

    Go practice some of that in an airplane and see what happens.

    Context and intent.

    Do you support civil suits being brought against the "film maker"
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    No.There is no constitutional right to not be offended.
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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    And, in fact, Gardener, I've been seeing enough people close to saying that very thing that I just wanted to cut to the chase and see how prevelant that position really is here. I'm heartened by the results so far.
    There really are quite a few, aren't there?

    THere is a lot of double talk on these forums, though, and so it may be out of the question to expect many intellectually dishonest people to come right out and state directly what they have been stating in huge amounts otherwise. Heck, just look at the number of people who routinely demonize Israel while even going so far as to support Pally terrorism who then turn around and try to claim that they are taking an "even handed" approach? It boggles the mind, sometimes.


    At the heart of ALL these arguments whenever Islam is involved, I get the impression of many kids who are acting out and many adults who are so filled with self-loathing that they turn their disgruntlement outward and so embrace anything that is out to destroy our way of life. This results in the tacit support for the Islamists that takes the form of endless apologia and endless mumbo jumbo double talk while stopping just barely short of direct support. It is really quite pervasive.

    It's hip to defend Islamists. WHY it is hip is based upon many things, but I think a certain sense of cultural self-loathing is at its core.
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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post

    It's hip to defend Islamists. WHY it is hip is based upon many things, but I think a certain sense of cultural self-loathing is at its core.
    That's complete and utter nonsense.

    Way to universally twist everything that's being discussed here.


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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I'm not a white Christian male, and have said nothing about horrible persecution. I simply brought up a salient example that reveals the complete hypocrisy of those who create the sorts of double standards you are furthering here.
    It's funny, isn't it? He accuses me of being simplistic, yet assumes that your position must make you Christian. Lol. Btw, I really tried to avoid any value judgments in the way I phrased the question, but the responses I'm getting from some are really interesting. Why is this question so hard to answer?

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Of course it should. There are 4 people dead because the government lacks the balls to detain a person that deliberately inflames others to violence.
    That pisses me off so much, I have no recourse but to indulge in mindless mayhem.

    Before I do, would you do me a solid, Bro, and send me your address? I will inform the Australian authorities beforehand to help facilitate your arrest.
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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    It's funny, isn't it? He accuses me of being simplistic, yet assumes that your position must make you Christian. Lol. Btw, I really tried to avoid any value judgments in the way I phrased the question, but the responses I'm getting from some are really interesting. Why is this question so hard to answer?
    He should have checked with the denizens of the Middle East forum. Most of them think I'm a Jew
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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Ok, figured out how to add the poll, please vote if you have an opinion on this.
    The answer is no. The answer should always be no.
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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Let me comment on the hate speech bit that was brought up earlier. The point about hate speech or fighting words is that they are calculated to bring about a violent reaction. That was the intent. From what I understand, this film was not meant as real academic critique. It was instead an insult, founded mainly in the religious bigotry of the creator. If he created a benign film, and the reaction was surprising and not at all what he intended to happen, then he has done nothing wrong. If instead he intentionally crafted an inflammatory and insulting piece, with no purpose other than to degrade and hurt people, then he is responsible for the current situation, and should be held accountable. Intent matters. No extra laws are necessary in this situation. We already hold people accountable for their calculated acts (including speech) that were intended to provoke a violent reaction.
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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's not a salient example. Those shows make fun of everybody's religion. I think they even make fun of atheists.
    It has nothing to do with how much is ridiculed, as the salience has to do with the reactions -- or lack thereof in the case of Christians, Jews, atheists and all others.

    It is only because you have such a magnified deference for this ONE religion above all others that you pursue this objective that you obviously aren't pursuing for any other religion. Why is Islam inviolate? Is it only because so many Muslims react violently to any criticism and enormous numbers who are not so violent still wish to silence all criticism? That is hardly a good reason to do their bidding. Instead, I would suggest you form consistent attitudes towards all religions across the board rather than promoting these extreme double standards as you are doing.
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