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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    It is not "weird" to feel the First Amendment is a bedrock of this country. It is "weird" to be an American with at least a HS education, but never comprehend why the Bill of Rights is important.
    Not that weird, given the disastrous state of public education these days.

    What I find more weird is the idea that one of my countrymen would rather give power to subhuman savages on the other side of the world with regard to what rights we should enjoy in this country, rather than allowing that determination to be made based on our own Constitution, and upon the orderly process that we have established in this country for this purpose.
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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Not that weird, given the disastrous state of public education these days.

    What I find more weird is the idea that one of my countrymen would rather give power to subhuman savages on the other side of the world with regard to what rights we should enjoy in this country, rather than allowing that determination to be made based on our own Constitution, and upon the orderly process that we have established in this country for this purpose.
    True, that.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    heck Im not even american and I know how important it is
    Perhaps you don't understand what is at issue then. The first amendment was written by a bunch of white slaveholding aristocrats to protect, among other things, the right of white slaveholding aristocrats to speak their mind about politics. Its original intent has nothing to do with true freedom of expression, which necessitates that people be allowed to freely curse and expose nudity. True freedoms of expression ends when the speech directly causes harm.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Not that weird, given the disastrous state of public education these days.

    What I find more weird is the idea that one of my countrymen would rather give power to subhuman savages on the other side of the world with regard to what rights we should enjoy in this country, rather than allowing that determination to be made based on our own Constitution, and upon the orderly process that we have established in this country for this purpose.
    I am a libertarian first and foremost, my concern is getting the government to respect all fundamental human right, not respect the wishes of a bunch of slaveholders.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    I think its ludicrous people would even consider this.

    To those that say yes to this topic what makes you think appeasement will work?
    I would venture to say that most moderate muslims are mature enough to not riot and kill people when someone is critical of their religion. I experience this on a regular basis in America and someone how can manage to control myself.

    Its the fanatics people are so willing to appease. As if no longer being critical of Islam will simply allow them to go back in their hole and behave. Not likely.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    A breakdown of the "yes" answers:

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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    I think its ludicrous people would even consider this.

    To those that say yes to this topic what makes you think appeasement will work?
    I would venture to say that most moderate muslims are mature enough to not riot and kill people when someone is critical of their religion. I experience this on a regular basis in America and someone how can manage to control myself.

    Its the fanatics people are so willing to appease. As if no longer being critical of Islam will simply allow them to go back in their hole and behave. Not likely.
    You seem to have some prejudice against Islam. Why is that?

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Perhaps you don't understand what is at issue then. The first amendment was written by a bunch of white slaveholding aristocrats to protect, among other things, the right of white slaveholding aristocrats to speak their mind about politics. Its original intent has nothing to do with true freedom of expression, which necessitates that people be allowed to freely curse and expose nudity. True freedoms of expression ends when the speech directly causes harm.
    No you dont seem to understand the movie was not an incitement to violence the people who used the movie to whip up a mob to attack others were the ones inciting violence. To bow down to violence in a democracy is to lose freedom.
    Yes true freedom of expression ends when you incite violence, Insulting someone is not inciting violence, to think so is to ask to be abused and led by others who have no problem in using violence. Untill you learn the difference between what the maker of this film did and those who used it as an excuse to actually incite violence you will never ever ever be able to comprehend what freedom of speech is all about.
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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    No you dont seem to understand the movie was not an incitement to violence the people who used the movie to whip up a mob to attack others were the ones inciting violence. To bow down to violence in a democracy is to lose freedom.
    Yes true freedom of expression ends when you incite violence, Insulting someone is not inciting violence, to think so is to ask to be abused and led by others who have no problem in using violence. Untill you learn the difference between what the maker of this film did and those who used it as an excuse to actually incite violence you will never ever ever be able to comprehend what freedom of speech is all about.
    You are making me into a Strawman. I was talking about direct incitements to violence. The movie is an indirect incitement and therefore should be protected speech. My heart doesn't exactly bleed for the scumbag who made the film, but he had a right to do it and he is not who I was referring to in the post you quoted.

    You seem like a nice guy. A lot of people in this thread appear to be working out anger against me for unrelated vendettas, and are purposefully contorting my words. I would like to ask you, as a favor, to read my posts carefully because my words are chosen very carefully, and you seem to be inadvertently Misinterpreting me.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    You seem to have some prejudice against Islam. Why is that?
    I spent several years in the middle east, living among and working with Muslims. I simply dislike that their fanatics are able to thrive because people are so willing to give them a free pass. Insert any other religion in the title and tell me who would vote yes?

    Terrorist thrive on fear and that is what is driving this, not tolerance. If it was simply tolerance why has this question not been asked about other religions?

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