View Poll Results: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime?

Voters
219. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes

    7 3.20%
  • No

    209 95.43%
  • I don't know.

    3 1.37%
Page 48 of 72 FirstFirst ... 38464748495058 ... LastLast
Results 471 to 480 of 720

Thread: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

  1. #471
    global liberation

    ecofarm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Miami
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 07:49 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    66,400

    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    What DO you have,
    An understanding that an authoritarian position has good intention, or it's not politics.

  2. #472
    Sage
    Guy Incognito's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Last Seen
    12-02-17 @ 07:43 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    11,216

    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    What DO you have, and is it catching?
    I know you're mad because I called you out on your anti-Islamic remarks. But show a little class upstairs please, out of respect for the forum if not for me.

  3. #473
    Banned
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Cleveland, Ohio, USA
    Last Seen
    12-10-12 @ 07:01 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    12,316

    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Oh, please. If you can't refute hate speech law being based on 3rd party murder conviction, then you've lost a foundation and, to be honest, I don't know what other leg you've to stand on (at the moment) regarding "face to face".
    There are no laws against "hate speech" in the US, and I doubt there ever could be, eco. That term has meaning in other nations which criminalize some opinions, and it has meaning in a social context in the US, but not a legal one.

    As for the "face to face" requirement: see Brandenburg v. US.


    Brandenburg v. Ohio

    A Klu Klux Klan meeting in Ohio was filmed and a newspaper report was made of it. The Klansman who spoke was arrested and charged/convicted with criminal solicitation ("If they keep pushing us, we'll rise up and kill them", or words to that effect).

    The Supreme Court overturned, because despite the fact that the film could be shown later and the newspaper report read later, there were no blacks or Jews or federal government employees, etc. present at the meeting for the crowd who actually heard the speech to attack, and thus, no direct incitement.

  4. #474
    Banned
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Cleveland, Ohio, USA
    Last Seen
    12-10-12 @ 07:01 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    12,316

    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I know you're mad because I called you out on your anti-Islamic remarks. But show a little class upstairs please, out of respect for the forum if not for me.
    Where are these bigoted remarks Gardener has allegedly made about Muslims, pray tell?

  5. #475
    Sage
    Guy Incognito's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Last Seen
    12-02-17 @ 07:43 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    11,216

    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    An understanding that an authoritarian position has good intention, or it's not politics.
    I think I have been pretty clear that I support some authoritarian measures to the extent that they correct an imbalance or injustice. This does not pertain this thread, however, and is more about things like affirmative action to make up for Jim Crow.

    Unless you're an anarchist, everybody is an authoritarian to some extent, even libertarians. The real question is, how intellectually honest is a person?

  6. #476
    Banned
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Cleveland, Ohio, USA
    Last Seen
    12-10-12 @ 07:01 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    12,316

    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    You have obviously been unable to understand what I have written. Don't feel bad, it's very complicated stuff, I understand why it might go over a person's head.

    Meanwhile, I take you silence on the matter of TV censorship as tacit admission for your unlibertarian support of it.
    And I ask again: WHAT censorship?


  7. #477
    free market communist
    Gardener's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Last Seen
    09-30-17 @ 12:27 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    26,661

    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I know you're mad because I called you out on your anti-Islamic remarks. But show a little class upstairs please, out of respect for the forum if not for me.
    But I'm overflowing with panache tonight, Guy!

    I've already called you out on your pro-Islamist nonsense, and so now I can relax a wee bit.
    "you're better off on Stormfront discussing how evil brown men are taking innocent white flowers." Infinite Chaos

  8. #478
    Banned
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Cleveland, Ohio, USA
    Last Seen
    12-10-12 @ 07:01 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    12,316

    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I think I have been pretty clear that I support some authoritarian measures to the extent that they correct an imbalance or injustice. This does not pertain this thread, however, and is more about things like affirmative action to make up for Jim Crow.

    Unless you're an anarchist, everybody is an authoritarian to some extent, even libertarians. The real question is, how intellectually honest is a person?
    Is it "intellectually honest" to make up your own facts?

  9. #479
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    Huntsville, AL
    Last Seen
    03-03-17 @ 10:28 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    13,813

    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    I'm torn on this issue.

    On the one hand, free speech should be protected at all costs.

    However, when one's free speech is directly responsible for violence towards innocent people all over the world I do wonder if some responsibility for that rests with the "speaker"?

    Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

    A joke about a bomb on an airplane?
    Making a verbal threat towards the president?
    Libel and slander?
    Conspiracy?

    Aren't those non-violent actions that result in criminal charges where one could easily argue freedom of speech?

    The d!ckwad that wrote and produced that stupid trash movie knew exactly what the outcome might be.
    We all know what might happen if we do the same thing.

    Now multiple people, who had nothing to do with the movie or the sentiment behind it, are dead.


    Why can't the people who made that movie be held accountable?

    Does my right to free speech supersede your right to live?

    The flip side of that is: If you know something is offensive - just ignore it and/or don't volunteer to witness it.

    Salman Rushdie should be able to write any book he chooses to write. People have the right not to buy it and not to read it. They can ignore it.

    I think intent and context go a long way in these kinds of issues.

    Was the movie simply hate speech designed to incite violence? If so, I see no reason that somebody should not be held responsible for their consequences.

    I can easily go back and forth on this.
    When it comes right down to it, you have the heart of a tyrant.

  10. #480
    global liberation

    ecofarm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Miami
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 07:49 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    66,400

    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Is it "intellectually honest" to make up your own facts?
    Within a consistent framework, why not.

Page 48 of 72 FirstFirst ... 38464748495058 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •