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Thread: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    I am frankly stunned that any adult, educated Americans could even THINK of restricting our freedom of speech to appease ME fundies, nevermind to SAY so out loud.

    There's another thread running now about the 4th Amendment; what searches the police may conduct without a warrant. A few people there are arguing that "well, as long as the cops find a criminal, I guess that's okay".

    I am sometimes afraid for this country's future after I read such things.

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Pinkie, you know paper publishers/hate group leaders have been successfully prosecuted for more than the hate speech.

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Ah, so THAT'S what "libertarian" means.
    Well, no. Not really. If you will see, I identify as libertarian, and my views on this issue are virtually opposite his. Libertarians typically support maximizing individual freedoms, including that of free speech, unhindered by government intrusion, and strong advocacy for the individual, as long as he is not infringing on the rights of others.
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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Well, no. Not really. If you will see, I identify as libertarian, and my views on this issue are virtually opposite his. Libertarians typically support maximizing individual freedoms, including that of free speech, unhindered by government intrusion, and strong advocacy for the individual, as long as he is not infringing on the rights of others.
    Tell me, lizzie, what is your considered libertarian stance on TV censorship?

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Well, no. Not really. If you will see, I identify as libertarian, and my views on this issue are virtually opposite his. Libertarians typically support maximizing individual freedoms, including that of free speech, unhindered by government intrusion, and strong advocacy for the individual, as long as he is not infringing on the rights of others.
    I was trying to point out how silly Guy's claim was that his was a libertarian POV, and didn't do it as well as I should have.

    Sorry.

    To be honest, I don't know what political label to give it, except "unpatriotic".

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post

    To be honest, I don't know what political label to give it, except "unpatriotic".
    Based on other stances I've observed him take, I'd say authoritarian fits pretty well, as a rule.

    (and no need to be sorry. I understood where you were coming from.)
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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    "unpatriotic".
    Oh, please.

    If you can't refute hate speech law being based on 3rd party murder conviction, then you've lost a foundation and, to be honest, I don't know what other leg you've to stand on (at the moment) regarding "face to face".
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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Based on other stances I've observed him take, I'd say authoritarian fits pretty well, as a rule.
    You have obviously been unable to understand what I have written. Don't feel bad, it's very complicated stuff, I understand why it might go over a person's head.

    Meanwhile, I take you silence on the matter of TV censorship as tacit admission for your unlibertarian support of it.
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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post


    To be honest, I don't know what political label to give it, except "unpatriotic".
    Well, as long as you don't call him free market communist, all is good.

    I called dibsies on that one a long time ago.
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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    You have obviously been unable to understand what I have.
    What DO you have, and is it catching?
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