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Thread: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Now, Come on, Pinkster. As a "libertarian" he offers his full support to the Islamists who want to make pretty much everything illegal, and if you don't agree with that particular brand of jack booted totalitarianism, you MUST be a bigot.

    It would all make perfect sense if you would only take enough drugs.
    Ah, so THAT'S what "libertarian" means.

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Ah, so THAT'S what "libertarian" means.
    You didn't get the memo?

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I'm not concerned about their feelings, I'm concerned about their lies and the lives of those they are going to hurt and kill in their rioting. It's basic human compassion.

    Why get so worked up to defend this guy's right to do the despicable thing he did? What exactly is going on to infringe his rights, anyway, is there some serious danger that disparaging religious figures is going to become a crime?
    Hopefully not, but it's times like this that we need to be extra vigilant and push back hard against any suggestions that we should consider infringing in our freedoms in order to keep the "peace" (I put that in quotes because peace based on fear, is no peace at all). I asked this question in the first case because I had read enough on this very forum that made me concerned that the number of people who think Muhammed should be some legally untouchable figure seemed to be scarily substantial.

    What kind of person is willing to scream and holler to defend somebody that purposefully incites riots on free speech grounds, but will not do the same for cursing on television?
    But Guy, when you place the blame of killings, rioting or whatever on a guy who made a video, you are effectively defending those who actually commit the violence by saying they had a legitimate reason to react the way they did.

    Why, you planning to stop being civil?
    I wasn't sure what you'd think of my post you responded to above.

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Hopefully not, but it's times like this that we need to be extra vigilant and push back hard against any suggestions that we should consider infringing in our freedoms in order to keep the "peace" (I put that in quotes because peace based on fear, is no peace at all). I asked this question in the first case because I had read enough on this very forum that made me concerned that the number of people who think Muhammed should be some legally untouchable figure seemed to be scarily substantial.
    I cannot disagree with you more. It is not times like this that we need to be ever-watchful of the right to bash the Islamic religion. That right is not going away, don't worry. Quite the contrary, it is in the interest of certain of our politicians to gin up hatred towards them.

    I mean, I agree with the underlying sentiment. Free speech that is unpopular is what needs to be protected. But seriously, just take a look around these boards. The attitudes of this filmmaker are not unpopular.

    What is unpopular and needs to be protected are things like nudity and cursing, and the fact that we still have laws prohibiting cursing on tv in this day and age is positively absurd.

    But Guy, when you place the blame of killings, rioting or whatever on a guy who made a video, you are effectively defending those who actually commit the violence by saying they had a legitimate reason to react the way they did.
    Not at all. Direct incitement to violence is wrong, wouldn't you agree? Ordering a hit is just as bad as being a hitman. It doesn't excuse the hitman.

    I wasn't sure what you'd think of my post you responded to above.
    It's all about attitude, X. You can say whatever you like about my arguments. Sometimes I am not the most cogent of people, but this is not one of those times. As long as you're not personally attacking me outside of the basement, it is all copacetic.
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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Not at all. Direct incitement to violence is wrong, wouldn't you agree? Ordering a hit is just as bad as being a hitman.
    How making a video (in California) that ridicules Muhammed "direct incitement" of a riot that happens in Libya?

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    How making a video (in California) that ridicules Muhammed "direct incitement" of a riot that happens in Libya?
    I made a video that mocked Genghis Khan the other day, and all hell broke out in the little Mongolia section of Aukland, New Zealand.
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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    How making a video (in California) that ridicules Muhammed "direct incitement" of a riot that happens in Libya?
    In US Hate Speech legis, it requires a specific (nearly individual) target and a realistic chance of said violence carried out.

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    In US Hate Speech legis, it requires a specific (nearly individual) target and a realistic chance of said violence carried out.
    Yes, and it also requires that the speaker and the rioters be face to face, and in the US.

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    In US Hate Speech legis, it requires a specific (nearly individual) target and a realistic chance of said violence carried out.
    That's my point, as I said in a post prior to that one, the film was an indirect incitement and therefore protected. But direct incitement is not. Furthermore, ordering a hit is certainly not. Ordering a hit does not excuse the hitman or the guy who ordered it. They are both to blame. In the case of indirect incitement, although there is and should be a right to such speech, it is morally no different than ordering a hit. And this likewise does not excuse those who were incited to violence, either in the case of direct or indirect incitement.

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Yes, and it also requires that the speaker and the rioters be face to face, and in the US.
    Face to face? I don't think so. Radio is not possible? Publications?

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