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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    I think private TV network should be able to display whatever they want. Some are able to (like HBO regularly has full nudity). Doesn't the government partially fund the broadcasting for the basic channels though? I think that's how they are allowed to force certain types of censorship.
    As a libertarian, I feel that any government regulation of airwaves is an unjust infringement of freedom of speech. And I fully understand that this would make it a battle of broadcasters to see who can build the most powerful broadcasting equipment to drown the other guys out. But that is the free market at work, it is liberty.

    You get the government sticking there finger in things just a little bit, ostensibly to regulate the marketplace for the purported good of the consumer, and the next thing you know, censorship.

    Meanwhile, a demagogue with an axe to grind is putting out trash in the hope that it will spark violence, and remarkably enough it does. And he's got legions of right wingers out to defend him.

    Yes, because it was indirect, and the odds of his video catching on like it did are so slim, it seems like protected speech. But it is borderline. Even the most ardent free speech proponent will not argue for freedom to yell fire in a crowded room. This filmmaker didn't do that, but not for lack of trying.

    So who are all these people coming out of the woodwork to defend free speech in the disgusting case of almost-unprotected incitement? And why? And where are they when free speech really needs defending (but there are no Muslims to bash)?

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    I think private TV network should be able to display whatever they want. Some are able to (like HBO regularly has full nudity). Doesn't the government partially fund the broadcasting for the basic channels though? I think that's how they are allowed to force certain types of censorship.
    The government does not censor television any longer, as far as I know. When it did, it premised that on the argument that a broadcasting license should be used for the benefit of society as well as to make a profit.

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    As a libertarian, I feel that any government regulation of airwaves is an unjust infringement of freedom of speech. And I fully understand that this would make it a battle of broadcasters to see who can build the most powerful broadcasting equipment to drown the other guys out. But that is the free market at work, it is liberty.

    You get the government sticking there finger in things just a little bit, ostensibly to regulate the marketplace for the purported good of the consumer, and the next thing you know, censorship.

    Meanwhile, a demagogue with an axe to grind is putting out trash in the hope that it will spark violence, and remarkably enough it does. And he's got legions of right wingers out to defend him.

    Yes, because it was indirect, and the odds of his video catching on like it did are so slim, it seems like protected speech. But it is borderline. Even the most ardent free speech proponent will not argue for freedom to yell fire in a crowded room. This filmmaker didn't do that, but not for lack of trying.

    So who are all these people coming out of the woodwork to defend free speech in the disgusting case of almost-unprotected incitement? And why? And where are they when free speech really needs defending (but there are no Muslims to bash)?
    So, now I'm a bigot?

    Dream on, buddy. And even if I were, a la the Westboro Baptist Church, so what?

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Wrong.

    I'm not going to lift a finger to help him if his rights are getting infringed, since there are more important concerns. It doesn't mean I support the infringement.

    Try applying a little logic. I have been very clear about this. Maybe you're just having trouble following the subtle nuances? It does require a bit of thought to follow me on this, I grant you.
    Is "nuance" some newfangled word for "double talk"?
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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I'm really only interested in discussing this with X, honestly. Although he disagrees with me, he is civil and fair minded.
    Need a tissue?

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Is "nuance" some newfangled word for "double talk"?
    Apparently in some alternative universe.

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    And yet you don't seem to have that same hard time having deep concern for the feelings of extremist assholes who oppress, assault, vandalize even kill others based on their gender, religion, political views, sexual orientation etc.
    I'm not concerned about their feelings, I'm concerned about their lives and the lives of those they are going to hurt and kill in their rioting. It's basic human compassion.

    Why get so worked up to defend this guy's right to do the despicable thing he did? What exactly is going on to infringe his rights, anyway, is there some serious danger that disparaging religious figures is going to become a crime?

    What kind of person is willing to scream and holler to defend somebody that purposefully incites riots on free speech grounds, but will not do the same for cursing on television?



    I have a feeling you're about to change your mind. Lol.
    Why, you planning to stop being civil?
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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    See, you're not paying attention to what I am saying, you're just reading parts of it and lumping me in with preconceived stereotypes.

    What I said is that we have bigger fish to fry when it comes to freedom of speech than this.
    What do YOU value more than our freedom?

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    So, now I'm a bigot?

    Dream on, buddy. And even if I were, a la the Westboro Baptist Church, so what?
    Now, Come on, Pinkster. As a "libertarian" he offers his full support to the Islamists who want to make pretty much everything illegal, and if you don't agree with that particular brand of jack booted totalitarianism, you MUST be a bigot.

    It would all make perfect sense if you would only take enough drugs.
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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    What kind of person is willing to scream and holler to defend somebody that purposefully incites riots on free speech grounds, but will not do the same for cursing on television?
    When did I defend tv censorship, pray tell?

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