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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    It blows my mind some people actually voted yes to this poll.
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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    It isn't the “liberal” notion of free speech that he opposes. Back in the day when those on the left were the most vocal advocates of “free speech”, it was about such things as pornography, obscenity, and crude language; not about genuine expression of controversial beliefs and opinions. It's those of us on the right who have always been the champions of genuine free speech, consisting of the freedom to hold and express whatever beliefs we will, regardless of how much someone else may disagree.
    Nobody gets hurt from pornography, obscenity and crude language. Why anybody would do mental gymnastics to protect the "right" to incite violence is beyond me.

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Simple question (I hope it's obvious I mean the Prophet Muhammed, I just couldn't include that in the title due to space limitations)?

    Edit: Crap, I hit "go" before I had a chance to post the poll (and it won't let me delete my OP, so I can try again). Can a poll still be added?

    Edit2: Ok, I figured it out.
    No thank you. It stinks of decency laws and other BS.
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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Nobody gets hurt from pornography, obscenity and crude language. Why anybody would do mental gymnastics to protect the "right" to incite violence is beyond me.
    I haven't seen anyone defend a “right” to incite violence. I'm defending the right to freely express one's beliefs and opinions. If others act, or threaten to act, in a violent, unacceptable manner, in response to opinions that they do not like, then the culpability is fully on them.

    A civilized society does not and cannot allow what rights it will or will not protect to be dictated by violent savages, especially those who have no standing in that society in the first place.
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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I haven't seen anyone defend a “right” to incite violence. I'm defending the right to freely express one's beliefs and opinions. If others act, or threaten to act, in a violent, unacceptable manner, in response to opinions that they do not like, then the culpability is fully on them.

    A civilized society does not and cannot allow what rights it will or will not protect to be dictated by violent savages, especially those who have no standing in that society in the first place.
    Look, I agree with you on a lot of points, but there is something backwards going on here. You can't show breasts on TV or say the seven dirty words, but you can march down the streets of a Jewish neighbor in full Nazi regalia? That is representative of inverted priorities in my book.

    We don't have free speech. It's a myth to begin with. So why fight so hard to protect the freedom to incite violence (indirectly, admittedly), yet nobody is doing anything to protect the right of network TV to curse or show nudity.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I haven't seen anyone defend a “right” to incite violence. I'm defending the right to freely express one's beliefs and opinions. If others act, or threaten to act, in a violent, unacceptable manner, in response to opinions that they do not like, then the culpability is fully on them.

    A civilized society does not and cannot allow what rights it will or will not protect to be dictated by violent savages, especially those who have no standing in that society in the first place.
    people who riot or engage in violence over someone making fun of some 1500 year old religious "leader" should be shot.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    nobody is doing anything to protect the right of network TV to curse or show nudity.
    The public has the right to regulate public airwaves in their interest. If you disagree with current regulations, you are free to petition society to change those regulations or use cable.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The public has the right to regulate public airwaves in their interest. If you disagree with current regulations, you are free to petition society to change those regulations or use cable.
    By your logic, the public also have a "right" not to be offended by disrespectful depictions of religious figures.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    By your logic, the public also have a "right" not to be offended by disrespectful depictions of religious figures.
    Only if those depictions utilize public airwaves. The public has the right (responsibility, even) to regulate public airwaves, in a public manner.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Look, I agree with you on a lot of points, but there is something backwards going on here. You can't show breasts on TV or say the seven dirty words, but you can march down the streets of a Jewish neighbor in full Nazi regalia? That is representative of inverted priorities in my book.

    We don't have free speech. It's a myth to begin with. So why fight so hard to protect the freedom to incite violence (indirectly, admittedly), yet nobody is doing anything to protect the right of network TV to curse or show nudity.
    What you call “incite[ing] violence (indirectly, admittedly)”, I call expressing one's opinions and/or beliefs, and I recognize it as one of the most basic and essential of all human rights.

    By advocating the violation of this right, on the basis that someone else may respond to the exercise thereof in a violent manner, is to give violent criminals the power to determine what rights will or will not be upheld. Unlike you, I am not on the side of such criminals, and I certainly am not in favor of giving them that power. In this case, it isn't even genuine human beings, nor members in standing of our own society, to which you are advocating the grant of this power, but subhuman savages, no better than wild animals, on the other side of the world from us, who are not members of our society, and who have no standing therein. I am absolutely opposed to giving such as them even the slightest bit of say regarding what rights I, as an actual human being, and a member of civilized society, may or may not enjoy.
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    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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