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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    In other words…

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    " im all for free speech just as long as its not abused by stupid people trying to incite hate"
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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    In point of fact, even speech that is deliberately intended to incite violence is still protected under US federal law. This comes from an article posted on another thread.

    The court in Claiborne also noted that even "advocacy of the use of force or violence does not remove speech from the protection of the first amendment." The court there was citing its earlier decision in Brandenberg v Ohio, which had overturned the criminal conviction of a Ku Klux Klan leader who had threatened violence against political officials in a speech. The Brandenberg court explained that "the constitutional guarantees of free speech and free press do not permit a State to forbid or proscribe advocacy of the use of force."
    The convenience of denouncing free speech

    Of course, if you read the whole article, you'll see that a KKK leader could get away with something that an Islamist sympathiser could not. The law seems clear but the application of it somewhat arbitrary.
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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
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    " im all for free speech just as long as its not abused by stupid people trying to incite hate"
    I hate when people use the word "love" should that be banned because it incites me to hate also? (note that "love" was just an example and isn't really true that I hate the word in case ya miss the sarcasm there) Point being that people can be incited to hate for very stupid reasons and if we start banning such things and making them crimes to say then were does it stop? Maybe we should just ban speech period?
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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Maybe we should make it a crime to criticize or disparage Jews, women, and gays? Then muslims will really be screwed.

    No, 1st amendment is very clear both on establishment clause and free speech, so you'd have to repeal that first, and I actually think those are necessary to avoid despotism. It's not worth going down that path just for the sake of not stepping on fragile muslim psyche. In addition, muhammed was a huge pedo and lied about everything, so it's all good.

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    but thats not going to happen they will never accept an insult to Muhammad,
    So again we can continue to allow these cartoons videos etc but know that we are putting our workers, diplomats etc at huge risk
    We could just pull out of the arab world and let them rot.
    We could prevent videos like these to appease the arabs and help keep our diplomatic ties with the region.
    Its simple really, they either get along with the rest of the world or they can know pain. I am NOT giving up my free speech rights to appease some jackass in a towel. Their choice, they can do what they like, but they come looking for trouble their gona find it. If they dont like the cartoons ect., they can cut themselfs off from the rest of the world and not associate or deal with them. But them attacking us and others, not their best idea.
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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Its simple really, they either get along with the rest of the world or they can know pain. I am NOT giving up my free speech rights to appease some jackass in a towel. Their choice, they can do what they like, but they come looking for trouble their gona find it. If they dont like the cartoons ect., they can cut themselfs off from the rest of the world and not associate or deal with them. But them attacking us and others, not their best idea.
    I agree with you, but I'm not so sure our leaders do. You and I can easily see where the line is drawn in the sand, but we do't have a constituency to worry about, or an image to maintain. There seems to be many people who cannot understand the concept of taking a stand on principle, and they are, unfortunately, in positions of power, or they are anonymous members of society who cannot bring themselves to outright oppose something with which they disagree, if it comes across as insensitive.
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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by wolv67 View Post
    Maybe we should make it a crime to criticize or disparage Jews, women, and gays? Then muslims will really be screwed.
    I thought California had made these things illegal.
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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I thought California had made these things illegal.


    From what I understand, it's an issue specific to college campuses.
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