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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I would say it's *they* who need to learn how to live with the rest of the world.
    but thats not going to happen they will never accept an insult to Muhammad,
    So again we can continue to allow these cartoons videos etc but know that we are putting our workers, diplomats etc at huge risk
    We could just pull out of the arab world and let them rot.
    We could prevent videos like these to appease the arabs and help keep our diplomatic ties with the region.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    So, the obvious answer, then, is is to not do these things when you go to Arab countries.

    What you are asking is to change what we do in OUR country, though, Higgins.

    It always boils down to this same double standard, too, even if we did just consider the scenario you posted. "They" are under no compunction to adopt out liberal ways when they come to the west. "WE", on the other hand, are expected to respect their uber-conservative ways when we go there.

    I call bullshite on that one.
    Hey I dont really like it either but our Govs seem to want to maintain diplomatc and economic ties in the region so we are going to have to give somewhere else we risk more lives etc.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    but thats not going to happen they will never accept an insult to Muhammad,
    So again we can continue to allow these cartoons videos etc but know that we are putting our workers, diplomats etc at huge risk
    We could just pull out of the arab world and let them rot.
    We could prevent videos like these to appease the arabs and help keep our diplomatic ties with the region.
    Sorry, but I am not willing to bow to the demands and expectations of unreasonable people, who can't even learn to live in the 21st century, and who cut off heads at the drop of a hat. To bow to this type of pressure is conceeding to them, and verifies (in their minds) the legitimacy of their cause. I will never support that type of appeasement.
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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Sorry, but I am not willing to bow to the demands and expectations of unreasonable people, who can't even learn to live in the 21st century, and who cut off heads at the drop of a hat. To bow to this type of pressure is conceeding to them, and verifies (in their minds) the legitimacy of their cause. I will never support that type of appeasement.
    Ok but what do you suggest our Govs do when the next video comes out and our embassies start getting attacked again! Do we start war or do we just leave the region?
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Ok but what do you suggest our Govs do when the next video comes out and our embassies start getting attacked again! Do we start war or do we just leave the region?
    As I have stated previously, on several occasions, and in several threads, I don't think we should be there in the first place. I never supported our going to war, and I certainly don't support spending taxpayer dollars to nation-build. I am a non-interventionist, who believes we should do business with other countries, but stay out of their political matters, and let them do manage their own problems, unless they attack us as a nation.

    Before we went in, I expected exactly what has happened, to happen. Their culture is at odds with ours, and they aren't worthy of our trust.
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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Ok but what do you suggest our Govs do when the next video comes out and our embassies start getting attacked again! Do we start war or do we just leave the region?
    We develop plan with the host government where they will do what they are legally bound to do and that is to protect the embassy and keep it safe.

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    As I have stated previously, on several occasions, and in several threads, I don't think we should be there in the first place. I never supported our going to war, and I certainly don't support spending taxpayer dollars to nation-build. I am a non-interventionist, who believes we should do business with other countries, but stay out of their political matters, and let them do manage their own problems, unless they attack us as a nation.

    Before we went in, I expected exactly what has happened, to happen. Their culture is at odds with ours, and they aren't worthy of our trust.
    isolationist...fair enough I can respect that. Outdated way of thinking with how the way the world is now and given that America is the worlds superpower, but I can still respect your wishful thinking.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    We develop plan with the host government where they will do what they are legally bound to do and that is to protect the embassy and keep it safe.
    and in an ideal world that embassy will always be at that level of security and will always be safe but I think we both know thats not how it works.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    isolationist...fair enough I can respect that. Outdated way of thinking with how the way the world is now and given that America is the worlds superpower, but I can still respect your wishful thinking.
    Militarily an isolationist. Economically, I support trade if we aren't screwing ourselves in the process. Iow, fair trade, not free trade.
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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    again I understand it I just dont think agree with you.

    Many people on this planet have different customs and beleif systems you can go to many Asian households and you will be expected to take your shoes off, in some parts of the world you stop your car for a Cow not kill it and in other places its rude to shake hands with your left. These are all customs and beliefs that you are expected to follow when your in these countries as a sign of respect and if you dont follow certain customs it can have very bad consequences. In the arab Muslim world it is a insult to potray mohammad as this video did and the reaction is one we have come to expect from this certain area of the world, of course you have every right as an American to **** all over this relgion but is it worth the death of your fellow countrymen or the threat to national security?
    The Arab world is a huge trade partner with the US and provides a great deal of oil etc to the US, you have a large military presence in the area and have been an important part in the shaping of the middle east over the last 60 years. If you want to continue this realtionship ( which is very much in your best interest) I would suggest that insulting their prophet would not be the best way to maintain stability in the region but if people want to continue to insult Islam expect them to react like they have over the past 5 days. Either learn to live with them or leave, pretty simple really.
    Seeing how those terrorist and other Islamofascist do not show respect towards other religions and beliefs then they have no room bitching when people do not show any respect to their religion.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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